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[Flipper]

I think the inexperience thing is an issue and it isn't. Most of the guys have st least 3-5 years coaching experience. Eliano had over 10 ...Hamby has three coaching the OL at Tech. Doege never coached anywhere before coming here. Morrison has very little experience... Padron worked for his dad and Kilmers background is sketchy. Not an overly experienced bunch...but not a bunch of babes in the woods either

The point is...these guys have seen D1 athletes up close...they should know what's up. They don't seem to understand the whole "adjustment" thing. Jinks may know what he wants from his staff... Hss he ent any time talking to more experienced coaches about what he needs from his staff?

Jinks has a rep as a bright uoungoach. I'd hate like hell for us to be the place that lives through the tough years of his education so someone else can benefit

[hammb]

I think you are only reading what you choose to. Plenty of people here, myself included are very displeased with what Jinks has done so far and it is littered across several topics here. But I think some hold onto hope that Babers is somewhat to blame because the next few years sure are going to suck if this is all on the shoulders of the new coach.

Personally I think he is awful and is by far the worst hire of any sport since I came to BG in the late 90s. It is quite a reach to hire a coach 3 years removed from high school. Still I hope he can get better. It's one thing to lose but BG has been a total embarrassment since it was 7-0 at the horseshoe.

I also think you give Babers a bit too much credit. It's no secret that you are in love with his offensive philosophy.
I don't dislike him or anything but it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. The 2014 season (8-6) was a bit a disappointment for what we had coming back. He talked all summer about how amazing of a defense he had then the next thing you know Western Kentucky is hanging up 60 points and 700 yards.

Clawson handed him down a program in excellent shape by MAC standards and I don't think he left it nearly as good as he found it. Not all of that is his fault either by the way.

I make it no secret that I was a fan of Babers. He was far from perfect, no doubt. Most notably his team's all too often let one key mistake steamroll. Also, while I always defend the defense he put out because I think the style of play rendered standard stats meaningless, many times they failed to get the couple key stops out turnovers you wanted. Still as coach we won one mac title, played in two championships, and beat 3 power 5 teams. I actually liked his bravado, and like watching teams play with it...although his teams often took it too far with stupid penalties. And I think he was by far the best X's & O's coach we've had since Urban.

I do think there is plenty of truth that Dino inherited a program in better shape than he left, but that is largely because he inherited a championship caliber qb that had 2 years of eligibility left. I don't think it's unreasonable to also point out that dieter and Lewis both left on Jinks watch. Was there any realistic shot to keep those guys here? I don't know if there was but it's not like it was Dino's fault they left.


I just get annoyed when I see things like "this is what you get from 2 years of the culture Babers built" I'm a browns fan so I'm well versed in apologizing for current regimes because of the ineptitude of their predecessors, but not when those predecessors were incredibly successful.

[apollo]

There is no question discipline wasn't a big part of Dino Babers teams at BG. Many people around the program were questioning the lack of accountability the players were being held to and felt Dino was only concerned with his next job. All that being said, it is clear our coaching staff is overmatched. The blowouts, almost losing to an FCS program, and losing to an improving but still poor EMU team. Unless Jinks recruits like PJ Fleck, the next few years are going to be tough to watch.

[pdt1081]

Rock bottom after 5 games of 1 season? Hockey fans will kindly inform you there's a long ways to go before you hit "rock bottom."

[threestooges]

Rock bottom after 5 games of 1 season? Hockey fans will kindly inform you there's a long ways to go before you hit "rock bottom."

Tennis fans, too. I know it's not a high-profile sport, but ...

2012-13 -- 17-5, 5-3 MAC (advanced to MAC Tournament championship)
2013-14 -- 10-9, 4-4 MAC (Penny Dean's last season)
2014-15 -- 0-17, 0-8 MAC (Olga Elkin's first season)
2015-16 -- 2-19, 0-8 MAC (Olga Elkin's last season)

27-14 in the two years before Elkin got here, 2-36 in her two years (0-16 in the MAC). I think it's possible that Elkin was the worst coaching hire BGSU has ever made.

[Falconfreak90]

Good Point threestooges...Penny Dean had solid, competitive teams. Elkin's been a disaster so far.

[Flipper]

Elkin got zapped last year..Stefanie Dalmacio is the coach now

[guest44]

Didn't BG have a men's soccer coach who produced some absolutely awful records? However, 2-36 takes some specially awful coaching. Of course, Louis Orr not in record, but in terms of 7 years worth of coma inducing nothingness.

[Flipper]

I like to call Louis Orr "the Void"

[apollo]

BG is going for a clean sweep of last place in the Reece and Jacoby Cups this year!! Last year we almost did it...this year it's ours!!

[Falconfreak90]

Fred Thomas was the men's soccer coach for a few years and had a record of 0-19-0 one year...and BG was getting beat 6-1, 7-2 ect on a nightly basis.

Flip, thanks for the correction on the tennis coach.

[Schadenfreude]

We are tethered to Mike Jinks for four more years after this one, and I'm not sure he knows what he is doing...

At this point, I'm not sure who or what to believe and I'm having a hard time finding reason for optimism or hope.

Three weeks later: Hope is alive!

I'm back on the bus. My confidence in Mike Jinks have been restored. He really had this team ready to play against the Rockets. I was really impressed with what I saw Saturday.

I expect Bowling Green to play for championships and I expect to beat Toledo. Neither will happen this year, from the looks of it. Even so, the Falcons have come a long, long way these past few weeks. Jinks basically gets a pass from me for the rest of the season based on Saturday. I'm eager to see what he can do in the future, which again looks bright.

[jpfalcon09]

We are tethered to Mike Jinks for four more years after this one, and I'm not sure he knows what he is doing...

At this point, I'm not sure who or what to believe and I'm having a hard time finding reason for optimism or hope.

Three weeks later: Hope is alive!

I'm back on the bus. My confidence in Mike Jinks have been restored. He really had this team ready to play against the Rockets. I was really impressed with what I saw Saturday.

I expect Bowling Green to play for championships and I expect to beat Toledo. Neither will happen this year, from the looks of it. Even so, the Falcons have come a long, long way these past few weeks. Jinks basically gets a pass from me for the rest of the season based on Saturday. I'm eager to see what he can do in the future, which again looks bright.

I haven't bought back in yet completely. If the team lays nothing but eggs the rest of the season, we can look back and suggest that he got BG excited to play their rival which should be expected and that's about it. If they finish the rest of their games with a winning record, I'll feel better but let's be honest...they're certainly not playing any good teams the rest of the way out. The combined records of the remaining teams is 9-25 and Akron is responsible for four of those wins. If they win games by margins indicative of an improving team then I'll certainly feel better come the end of November.

[Schadenfreude]

If the team lays nothing but eggs the rest of the season, we can look back and suggest that he got BG excited to play their rival which should be expected and that's about it.

And, if that's what happens, I'll be right there with you, pointing it out all off season.

But my honest sense is that the team is turning a corner. Morgan is finding himself. The defense is starting to figure out what Perry Eliano expects.

I see some wins in our near future.

[BGSU33]

I wouldn't be surprised to see some wins now too, but that's solely based on the fact that we're going to be playing some teams equally as bad as we are. Miami, Kent State and Buffalo are each possibly wins since they stink too. No way am I ready to declare that we are all of a sudden a better team that turned the corner because of one game, which was a loss by the way. I wouldn't feel any different had we beat Toledo either. That said, I do think we've shown glimpses of progress. But until the losses stop and the wins start coming, we can speculate all we want about improvement because the bottom line is, good teams find ways to win games and bad ones don't. And we're 1-6. Nothing more needs to be said.