The Stroh Center Environment is HORRID!

[HoopsFan]

I think the Jans horse is already dead. I nearly shot off a scathing letter to Kingston over the Jans deal, saying it was a raw deal until I started looking around. I don't patronize BG bars, but I got to thinking about my life as a man whore when I was Jans' age. Man comes alone to a college town, with wife and family gone. A real candy store. I'm guessing that this incident wasn't the first public drunkenness time for Jans and Kingston probably had already discussed this with him before. Especially since a search through other forums pointed out that it was a regular pattern. As far as the assistants, they should have dragged his ass out of there hours before, so whoever didn't is worthless IMO.

As far as the Stroh center, perhaps keeping 103 and 115 as reserved and converting the rest of the seats as General Admission would fill the arena in a hurry. That and $5 GA seating. and first-come $5 parking and you might solve the attendance problem. The escalator can come in Phase II.

HoopsFan

[FalconTurf]

Jan's win some games with an NBA caliber athlete on roster. He got the most out of that team but at what cost. Some who seem to be in the know claim half the returners weren't returning. It could have bottomed out last year if he stayed.

[guest44]

Yep, that's the easy argument. Jans won because Holmes was an NBA caliber player. Not maybe Jans helped Holmes become an NBA player. My argument was the improvement of Clarke, Henderson, and Denny that season. All played at way higher levels than at any other point.

Frankly, I'd begin to make a case that Louis Orr showed he can coach as well or better than what Huger has shown. A dead last finish last year, that looked better based to two wins in the MAC Tournament. A 7-10 record this year, where most objective people would say BG should finish in the bottom three and potentially dead last again. Norfolk St. and Alabama A&M are terrible D1 teams. Yeah, the recruiting seems better, but does anyone feel confident in a close game, that BG has the advantage. Objectively, I don't. I walk into the Stroh hoping to be proved wrong each and everytime, just like I did with Orr. But, my eyes don't lie, and they don't see it. People forget we played this recruiting class game with Orr until it became clear fans would have no knowledge of BGSU basketball because it was run like the FBI. Maybe that's a bad analogy these days.

[BGSU33]

I have solved the problem for the horrible Stroh Center environment. It is our team's poor defense. Michael Huger agrees.

[guest44]

I have solved the problem for the horrible Stroh Center environment. It is our team's poor defense. Michael Huger agrees.

Haha, and next's year recruiting class has so much size, the arena will be filled.

[Flipper]

If Orr could actually coach...he'd still be here. Huger took over a raging dumpster fire. Wow..his team didn't do as well after the NBA guy left along with a bunch of other talent?

I have no problem with him harping on defense. Your best offensive opportunities come from defensive stops...particularly turnovers from strong perimeter defense. Preach defense 24/7 for all I care.

You have a PF with what appears to be a complete game coming in next year to complement Wiggins along with a C who looks ready right now to help with defense (I know..that word again) and rebounding along with a couple more guards. We're moving this thing in the right direction, but the culture of losing and frankly, stupidity and undisciplined behavior has to be changed along with the roster.

That's not a quick fix. If we're sitting here next year and things look bleak...I'l be concerned. Right now...I'm not

[guest44]

Orr couldn't coach. That's why the same NBA guy who people think made Jans look good, finished 9th or 10th in the league with the NBA talent the year prior. Those other talented players didn't look good under Orr either. Those still around don't look all that good under Huger either. I'm assuming he is preaching defense because his team struggles in the half court offense, struggles to shoot, and is undersized. Therefore, easy baskets like they got against Ball St. are required. Lillard has gotten progressively worse, and it seems like he is headed to the bench. Good coaching can take below average rosters and make them 5 wins better than they are. Of course it's not a quick fix. However, the Frack money doesn't have a bottomless pit either.

[Flipper]

I get the sense that "The Frack money" isn't the panacea people seem to think it would be. The team sucked long before Huger got here...he's not going to snap his fingers and fix it.

My preference is for a coach that will preach defense until his head falls off because defense gets you offense. Offense doesn't get you defense.

[CrazyFan]

I hate to say it, and I’m really not trying to be totally negative hear, but 3 of the 4 main BG Sports and Revenue Drivers are in BiG Trouble (Both Basketball Programs and Football). And it’s the optimistic orange colored glasses as well as the unwillingness or inability to fire coaches that’s creating it. We choose to lay our hats on the “Next Year will be Better” theme when anyone with some common sense and knowledge of sports who has the ability to remove the orange colored glasses can see that all 3 programs are either a train wreck or heading that way. This same “It’s be better next year” is the same sh** I had to hear from people on this board 5-6 years ago with Louis Orr when ANYONE could see he was a terrible coach. Huger is a terrible coach. Great guy! BGSU Alum! Awesome Story! But a terrible x’s and o’s guy who's team plays exactly like Orr’s teams did; with zero passion and attention to details. Give him one more season, then have the Frack money ready to fire him. Make a good, smart, vetted decision and hire a good coach. We have tons of money from Frack. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason we should be where were at right now.

As far as women’s basketball, fire Roos TODAY!! She has completely dismantled and destroyed that program. It was a HUGE mistake to hire her, but it was the easy hire! Didn’t have to put in much work for that one! Once she lost Miller’s recruits, this team has taken a total nose dive.

And Old Jinks! What a complete joke! We are paying this guy $500,000 for this sh**???? Just a joke of a hire, completely over his head, but once again, we give him the old “Give the guy a chance” and “look at the recruits he’s got coming in” excuses. This is a train wreck waiting to happen folks. I call it now. I stand by it. I AM AND WILL BE RIGHT! It’s a simple eyeball test. He’s terrible. Fire him after his 3-8 season next year, and I’m being positive with that win total.

BGSU is way too good of an institution and has way too much history to keep sitting idly by and continuing to be apathetic to these losing programs! We bitch we have no money, yet we won’t make the sacrifices to put good teams on the courts and field to create money! There’s only one Frack to give us money. Then you have to earn it! Put a good team out there and the money and fans will come! Get rid of the dead weight and make the tough decisions!

[factman]

I guess "crazy" fan is an appropriate name!

[gmartin]

3-8 football season next year. So what team did we drop from the schedule considering we play 12 games.

[CrazyFan]

3-8 football season next year. So what team did we drop from the schedule considering we play 12 games.

Well I don't know how many coaches will get into fights with bouncers this off season, so I'm just figuring in a 1 game forfeiture.

[hammb]

I hate to say it, and I’m really not trying to be totally negative hear, but 3 of the 4 main BG Sports and Revenue Drivers are in BiG Trouble (Both Basketball Programs and Football). And it’s the optimistic orange colored glasses as well as the unwillingness or inability to fire coaches that’s creating it. We choose to lay our hats on the “Next Year will be Better” theme when anyone with some common sense and knowledge of sports who has the ability to remove the orange colored glasses can see that all 3 programs are either a train wreck or heading that way. This same “It’s be better next year” is the same sh** I had to hear from people on this board 5-6 years ago with Louis Orr when ANYONE could see he was a terrible coach. Huger is a terrible coach. Great guy! BGSU Alum! Awesome Story! But a terrible x’s and o’s guy who's team plays exactly like Orr’s teams did; with zero passion and attention to details. Give him one more season, then have the Frack money ready to fire him. Make a good, smart, vetted decision and hire a good coach. We have tons of money from Frack. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason we should be where were at right now.

I'm not there yet. I'm not blindly optimistic going to say it'll be better next year. I see things I don't like thus far. I don't think he's a brilliant Xs & Os coach.

But I'm also not overly concerned with Xs & Os as a basketball coach. It's far more important to recruit good talent than it is to draw up great plays, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't think you can adequately judge a basketball coach's ability to improve a program until at least his 3rd year, and maybe not until his 4th. With the early signing period no coach can really bring in a good first recruiting class, so it just takes time for them to build it up. Especially if you're focusing on HS talent rather than JuCos, which clearly has been Huger's vision.

I like the freshmen guards. I like Wiggins. I still think Lillard has talent, but I have no clue what his deal is. If any of these players develop, and next year's class looks good, we could be on the right track next year. It's not a given, but I'm hopeful. I'm not ready to just throw him out yet. Not with what he inherited.

Clawson was a beyond lousy Xs & Os coach as well. He also inherited a dumpster fire of a program. It took him 4 years, but he built a program that was the class of the MAC for his final season and the 2 years after he left. I'm willing to give Huger some time and see what he can build if given time. If we still look like we do today next March, then I'll be far more willing to entertain the notion that we'd need to look elsewhere.

[CrazyFan]

I hate to say it, and I’m really not trying to be totally negative hear, but 3 of the 4 main BG Sports and Revenue Drivers are in BiG Trouble (Both Basketball Programs and Football). And it’s the optimistic orange colored glasses as well as the unwillingness or inability to fire coaches that’s creating it. We choose to lay our hats on the “Next Year will be Better” theme when anyone with some common sense and knowledge of sports who has the ability to remove the orange colored glasses can see that all 3 programs are either a train wreck or heading that way. This same “It’s be better next year” is the same sh** I had to hear from people on this board 5-6 years ago with Louis Orr when ANYONE could see he was a terrible coach. Huger is a terrible coach. Great guy! BGSU Alum! Awesome Story! But a terrible x’s and o’s guy who's team plays exactly like Orr’s teams did; with zero passion and attention to details. Give him one more season, then have the Frack money ready to fire him. Make a good, smart, vetted decision and hire a good coach. We have tons of money from Frack. There is ABSOLUTELY no reason we should be where were at right now.

I'm not there yet. I'm not blindly optimistic going to say it'll be better next year. I see things I don't like thus far. I don't think he's a brilliant Xs & Os coach.

But I'm also not overly concerned with Xs & Os as a basketball coach. It's far more important to recruit good talent than it is to draw up great plays, IMO. Unfortunately, I don't think you can adequately judge a basketball coach's ability to improve a program until at least his 3rd year, and maybe not until his 4th. With the early signing period no coach can really bring in a good first recruiting class, so it just takes time for them to build it up. Especially if you're focusing on HS talent rather than JuCos, which clearly has been Huger's vision.

I like the freshmen guards. I like Wiggins. I still think Lillard has talent, but I have no clue what his deal is. If any of these players develop, and next year's class looks good, we could be on the right track next year. It's not a given, but I'm hopeful. I'm not ready to just throw him out yet. Not with what he inherited.

Clawson was a beyond lousy Xs & Os coach as well. He also inherited a dumpster fire of a program. It took him 4 years, but he built a program that was the class of the MAC for his final season and the 2 years after he left. I'm willing to give Huger some time and see what he can build if given time. If we still look like we do today next March, then I'll be far more willing to entertain the notion that we'd need to look elsewhere.

Hammb....not sure if you remember, but this seems like Deja Vu. We had almost this same back and forth like 5 years ago when I was criticizing Orr. You said almost the same exact things. Not that's it bad. Your more patient at giving coaches time. I on the other hand can take a look at a few games and know if that coach will be successful of not. It doesn't necessarily have to be the quality of players that coach inherits. Its more about how that team plays; how they act, how they hussle, how much they pay attention to the details. I watched the first 3-4 games of the Orr dynasty of losing and knew he was not the guy. I watched 1 game of Jans and knew he was the guy. Too bad some off the court stuff got him fired, which I've made my opinions known already about the situation. Funny how a coach plays grab ass with a women he knows, she doesn't mind (i can only assume because a police report was never filed against him), yet he gets fired. Then a year later 2 football coaches get into a fight, get charged with assault, yet they keep their jobs. Nice double standard set by the athletic department. Anyways, when Huger came along I watched the first couple of his games and it feels like Orr 2.0. Unfortunately, he might be worse than Orr. Like I said before; Great guy, BGSU Alum, Great story about him rising up the Larranaga ranks to now be coaching his alma mater. Everyone I've talked to has nothing bad to say about the guy. I mean he's loved in BG. Unfortunately, we need a coach that can not only be a nice guy but can win. In our day and age, winning is all that matters. Winning puts butts in the seats and makes money for the athletic department. The athletic department is not going to make any money and will actually continue to lose their asses if they keep up the attendance the way it is. We have to start winning. We can not allow Huger to have the leash that Orr had and rot out our program for 7 years. But I agree; give him 1 more year, a 3rd year. If there's considerable improvement, then give him a 4th. If not, Mooseberger has to make the tough but correct decision and let him go. This ship has to be righted.

[FalconTurf]

Yep, that's the easy argument. Jans won because Holmes was an NBA caliber player. Not maybe Jans helped Holmes become an NBA player. My argument was the improvement of Clarke, Henderson, and Denny that season. All played at way higher levels than at any other point.

Jans did help Holmes become an NBA player but he didn't make him an NBA caliber athlete. Holmes had tools and ability that had to be tapped. Those tools and ability cannot be put into someone, they are there or they aren't. I don't see anyone on the current roster that is physically or athletically as gifted as Holmes. His teammates benefited because the opposition was concerned about Holmes. They had better looks, open drives to the basket and even rebounds while no less than one guy stayed attached to Richaun the whole time inside and then outside as the shot developed. The team looked better defensively because opposing players feared getting rejected at the basket and ended up altering shots and shot selection. Richaun was also a leader on the court emotionally and for his work ethic in games and practice his senior season. I'm sure this pushed others.

I think what we see now is the lack of a top tier leader on the team (and that leader needs to be a player, not a coach). Again, just like a top-tier athlete, you cannot make someone fill this role. It can be developed when someone buys in and has that ability within themselves. Unfortunately this program needs more recruits and development. I'm not sure how fast you think this can happen. If the right players are already in place it works quickly but if not patience must kick in.

Clawson built a football program that didn't really look good until the 4th year and then excelled the 5th year. He built it strong enough to last 2 years after he was gone and then it fell apart. Note all the leaders at various positions that graduated or left after that last MAC championship. Each unit on both sides of the ball had a leader that left and obviously very few of the units had found their new leader early in year and some might still be looking.