Moose on BG's Financial Restraints....from the Blade

[Flipper]

Pioneer league is a form of Division 1. We won't be able to dick swing that "we're in the same division as Ohio State" spiel any more...

[Clubber]

If BG wants to be in FBS and D1 hockey then they need to give more money to athletics. If they continue to fund the department in this manner, I would suggest just cutting athletics all together. What is the point?
Wasting everyone's time to try to compete in a football conference that no cares about and a hockey program that hasn't been relevant in 30 years.
I'm fine with continuing to do it, but it's on the University to fund the sports. Not alumni and coaches to fundraise because we only care about 4-5 sports that some AD thinks are important for his next job.

[ChicagoFalcon98]

I don't see us as a national University...I don't know of anyone who sees us as a national University.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/bo ... rsity-3018" target="_blank

In the court of public perception...BG isn't a national university...Wayne State probably isn't either.
I don't advocate dropping to D2 any way...I think we need to band together with the rest of college football that isn't trying to be the NFL to come up with some realistic scholarship limits and some sensible numbers re staffing levels and budgets

Not really sure which side of the debate this supports, but as of 2013 IPEDs data (college data official reporting lags behind a few years), BG undergrad was 85% in-state. That's pretty much in line with the other MAC schools in Ohio and Michigan with regard to in-state %, with the exception of Miami who was 61% in-state. Ohio State was 71% in-state. U-Cincy was 84%,

The numbers would suggest a regional college with regard to attendance, but the alumni base and impact I would argue is national. I can't really think of a time when I've been in a professional setting anywhere in the country where other professional/educated people didn't at the very least know BGSU as an institution. The only time I get the "you mean Bowling Green Kentucky?" comments is when I'm at some sports bar talking to some Notre Dame fan who never went to college. Plus, for sports fans, I'll be that "where is it located" aspect is in play for a lot of schools, I'll bet a good percentage of people who KNOW of Vanderbilt, Gonzaga, Valparaiso, Creighton, etc, couldn't actually point to where in the country that campus is located. Hell, ask someone to point to where Washington State or Oregon State are located and you'll get them pointing to Seattle and Portland.

[gmartin]

Nashville, Spokane, Valparasio, Omaha, Pullman and Corvallis. So how did I do.

[footballguy51]

I'm at a training in Kansas City. People know BGSU. I'm here with people from Fresno State, Utah State, Iowa State, and Purdue to name a few big schools, but I'm also here with Hampton University, El Camino College, Friends University, College of Coastal Georgia, and California State University - Stanislaus. I think BGSU is a bigger deal than what most people think.

[Schadenfreude]

The U.S. News term "national universities" is based on classifications from the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. The term the Carnegie system uses is "doctoral universities." All members of the MAC are doctoral universities; most, including Bowling Green, have a moderate level of research activity. The Big Ten schools are also doctoral institutions, but with a higher level of research activity.

In contrast, Division FCS and Division II schools, tend to be "master's colleges and universities" (per Carnegie) or "regional universities," as U.S. News would put it. Youngstown State and Northern Iowa are in the master's category, for example.

My point here: The MAC is where Bowling Green fits. These are our peer schools. And, yes, to footballguy51's point: Bowling Green is kind of a big deal.

[Flipper]

But does being a "big deal" automatically justify ripping off the students to pay for "big deal" sports?

[Clubber]

My point here: The MAC is where Bowling Green fits. These are our peer schools. And, yes, to footballguy51's point: Bowling Green is kind of a big deal.

I agree. The MAC is where we belong. I personally the entire MAC should reconsider FBS Football, but that is a different point. Bottom line is the if we are going to be in the MAC then our MAC sports should be funded properly. If that costs the students more money, than so be it. Asking Alumni to raise money to operate certain programs isn't right. If we're such a big deal than that shouldn't be necessary.

[FalconTurf]

Currently there are 6 divisions in D1 football:
FBS - ring of champions
FBS - power 5 participants
FBS - mid majors
FCS - power
FCS - ordinary
FCS - non scholarship

BGSU is where they belong as an institution except the money issue is not just looming it's starting to apply pressure. Something not only must change but WILL change for better or wor$e

[hammb]

Currently there are 6 divisions in D1 football:
FBS - ring of champions
FBS - power 5 participants
FBS - mid majors
FCS - power
FCS - ordinary
FCS - non scholarship

BGSU is where they belong as an institution except the money issue is not just looming it's starting to apply pressure. Something not only must change but WILL change for better or wor$e

I agree that in the current landscape the FBS - Mid majors group (as you put it) is where BG belongs. This group IS their peer group as a university, as an athletic department, and as a football program.

My issues with BG football are not unique to BG; they extend to nearly every member of the group you have placed us in. We need to stop pretending we belong in the same group as the "power 5 participants" because they get a crapton of "trickle down" by being [in name only] in the same conferences as the "ring of chapions" schools. We don't get any similar trickle down yet we attempt to up our budgets close to theirs and it's insane. It's bad for the universities and it hasn't done anything to benefit the football programs. That's what really hurts. In 2000 our athletics took $5.2 million in funding. In 2017 they are slated to take $12.7 million. That is a 140% increase, and I'd imagine a large part of that is football budget; inflation only accounts for about $2.1 million of the increase. I know we've cut some programs in that time period, but I'm not sure which or how many.

Our athletics budget (at least what they're taking from students, which is all I care about) has more than doubled in 17 years and we've made zero headway in the pecking order of college football during that time. And since the budget numbers are whole departments, I would argue that MAC hoops is light years away from where it was in 2000; undoubtedly what little (if any) progress MAC football has made in that time is more than outweighed by the backslide in basketball.

[jacojdm]

drop to D2

The only GLIAC school that's really a peer to us is Wayne State. Bowling Green is a national university. Schools like Walsh College, Tiffin, Ohio Dominican, and Findlay are not peers.

Walsh has been a University for probably close to twenty-five years, but, your point is well taken.

When I was in high school in the late nineties, Walsh and Malone started football programs. Walsh had (has) no stadium in which to play, so its home games were played at North Canton Memorial. The Hoover and Massillon Washington High School marching bands were the stand ins for Walsh's non-existent band program (the school now has a fledgling marching band and offer a music major).

The campuses at Walsh, Malone, and Mount seemed to me like multi building high schools, not colleges or universities.

[Tech2000]

The irony about going to gliac is that most if not all of these teams were at one time NAIA then to D3 before D2. There are other teams who went from NAIA to D3 and stayed even today. Many of those who made the jump to D2 are having financial problems while those who stayed D3 are doing just fine.

[ChicagoFalcon98]

Nashville, Spokane, Valparasio, Omaha, Pullman and Corvallis. So how did I do.

Well done...but I also think anyone on a message board is by default a more informed sports-fan.

[pdt1081]

While this is the Football Board, this seems pertinent to the content of this thread.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?1 ... ost6500129" target="_blank

[Clubber]

While this is the Football Board, this seems pertinent to the content of this thread.

http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?1 ... ost6500129" target="_blank

So basically we don't make much revenue with hockey attendance? No suprise there.