Conference USA

ironmikecw · Post by **ironmikecw** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:07 pm

The one thing everyone is overlooking. The ONLY reason CUSA got the recognition for football was from their BASKETBALL which was very strong untill most of the powerhouses bolted...i.e. Cincinnati, Louisville ,UNC Charlotte ,Marquette, the only one left is Memphis. When it all shakes out CUSA will be a lower league than the Mac and any move in that direction would be a step backward.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 1:22 am

ironmikecw wrote:The one thing everyone is overlooking. The ONLY reason CUSA got the recognition for football was from their BASKETBALL which was very strong untill most of the powerhouses bolted...i.e. Cincinnati, Louisville ,UNC Charlotte ,Marquette, the only one left is Memphis. When it all shakes out CUSA will be a lower league than the Mac and any move in that direction would be a step backward.

I challenge anyone here to post the question on any teams message board not in the MAC, and any leagues message board that is not the MAC and ask them what league is better conference USA or the MAC. The response will be resoundingly in favor of C-USA. I will be waiting for their responses.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:15 am

I think most BCS fans would say..."who cares?" But let me know what results you see after you post to all all those other boards.

Of course there are some who would say that fans outside of the MAC and CUSA aren't likely to be very well informed about the relative strengths of each conference. "Why rely on the opinions of the ill-informed" they might ask.....

Then I suppose you'd say that "perception is reality and those people are shaping reality"

Then someone else might say "no, reality is reality and the reality is that the MAC has proven it is better on the field of play".

Then there are folks like me who typically view conversations like this as nothing more than pointless mental masturbation. We'd rather look for funny videos of cheerleaders going through basketbal hoops (prove it's fake!) among *other* things than continually rehash the same topics ad infinitum....

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PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:53 am

Such wisdom for 8:00 on a saturday morning.

factman · Post by **factman** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:36 am

CUSA migth be "better known" because they typically come from larger cities, and many even carry the city's name, but they have certainly not proven to be better "on the field" in football I would give them the edge in basketball, but not even sure that is the case with their new alignment.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:18 am

Of course many MAC schools carry the City name as well. I mean what does louisville or memphis have that Akron or Toledo doesn't, other than job oppurtunities.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:51 am

Flipper wrote:I think most BCS fans would say..."who cares?" But let me know what results you see after you post to all all those other boards.

Of course there are some who would say that fans outside of the MAC and CUSA aren't likely to be very well informed about the relative strengths of each conference. "Why rely on the opinions of the ill-informed" they might ask.....

Then I suppose you'd say that "perception is reality and those people are shaping reality"

Then someone else might say "no, reality is reality and the reality is that the MAC has proven it is better on the field of play".

Then there are folks like me who typically view conversations like this as nothing more than pointless mental masturbation. We'd rather look for funny videos of cheerleaders going through basketbal hoops (prove it's fake!) among *other* things than continually rehash the same topics ad infinitum....

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Lets see....What exactly is wrong with mental masturbation? Masturbation itself is fine, and the safest sexual experiene in this world. And beyond that it is a mind excercise at the very least. Why not just ignore the post instead of belittle it?

"Of course there are some who would say that fans outside of the MAC and CUSA aren't likely to be very well informed about the relative strengths of each conference." The point is that taking a reading of what these fans think is the closest we can get to a reading of what the media and coaches think. They are not well informed and that is who makes the decisions. No matter if you think the MAC is better and that others just don't understand, the point is the decision makers think that C-
USA is better. And right now they have a heck of alot more weight than a group of fans for a MAC team who by there very nature are biased.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:07 am

Masturbation can lead to hemrhoids, hairy palms and blindness, I wouldn't call that safe. I can't really see how the fans are the closest thng to reading what the media and coaches think, If you want to know those things, pick up a paper and read the articles, If you want to know what coaches think, look at the polls. Louisville was the only C-USA team at the end of the football season, ranked or receiving votes, 3 MAC teams at least recieved votes. People as a whole are stupid, asking fans won't tell you crap.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:15 am

People as a whole are stupid? So the media and coaches are now not people? Are they robots? And if people as a whole are stupid than does that include BG fans? Sometimes the logic in posts on this board is border line coo coo.

I hope you are joking about the effects of masturbation. If not please see a doctor.

The polls are a better photograph of what the media and coaches feel, however making a post in other message boards and asking them is the closest thing we can do as a group.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:26 am

Yes, and jumping off a chair will get me closer to the moon than jumping off the floor.

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:33 am

Still stand by my statement, anytime you have group of people together, stupid things are bound to arise. Coaches and members of the media would fall into a category of 'Informed Participants" in which they know more than the public. (By the way, I never include myself as People) in regards to my statement I don't think asking a group of people will tell you anything other than an ill-conceived perception. And of course this includes BG fans. Not all posts on this site are works of genius. Having graduated from BGSU, and now at graduate school at UK, I know that intelligence is not required for admission/attendance to college. My god did I have dumb people in my classes.

The effects of masturbation, are half joke/half truth. Clearly two of them are myth, but one is real. Think about where the penis actually connects to in the body, Pull long, hard and often enough, it will have adverse effects.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:42 am

Flipper what does that even mean. Your cliches are weak at best. If you are saying that our goal of becoming a more well recognized team is as unreachable as the moon, than by all means you can say that. But I hope no one thinks that. Being ina stronger more nationally recognized conference (C-USA or a stronger MAC) are very close if we work at it. The Chair to the moon analogy doesnt work. A step stool to an apple tree does. We are right there, on the cusp, we just can't rest on our laurels.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:02 pm

ironmikecw wrote:The one thing everyone is overlooking. The ONLY reason CUSA got the recognition for football was from their BASKETBALL which was very strong untill most of the powerhouses bolted...i.e. Cincinnati, Louisville ,UNC Charlotte ,Marquette, the only one left is Memphis. When it all shakes out CUSA will be a lower league than the Mac and any move in that direction would be a step backward.

I'm not overlooking that at all IronMike.

As of this moment, the MAC and Conference USA are dead even in RPI.

If Conference USA Lite (tm) were in place this year, that league would be looking at one bid to the NCAA tournament -- and be trailing us badly in every measure of conference strength.

Conference USA Lite's best team right now is Houston, with an RPI of 60 (helped by the fact that the Cougars are drafting off departing basketball powerhouses like Cincinnati, DePaul, North Carolina-Charlotte and Louisville. They won't have that kind of strength of schedule next year).

In the MAC, Miami is at 22, Akron is at 37, Buffalo is at 41 and Kent State is at 49.

Bottom line: I expect the MAC to be extremely close to Conference USA in both sports from here on out.

When Conference USA Lite has its first single-bid season -- and it will happen in 2006 unless someone steps it up -- perception will catch up to reality in a hurry.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:12 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:Flipper what does that even mean. Your cliches are weak at best. If you are saying that our goal of becoming a more well recognized team is as unreachable as the moon, than by all means you can say that. But I hope no one thinks that. Being ina stronger more nationally recognized conference (C-USA or a stronger MAC) are very close if we work at it. The Chair to the moon analogy doesnt work. A step stool to an apple tree does. We are right there, on the cusp, we just can't rest on our laurels.

If you don't know what they mean, how can you pass judgement?

You have a bad habit of getting snippy with people who don't accept your opinion as the gospel...are you Al Gore?

My point is that you're engaged in a gigantic fallacy (not to be confused with a gigantic phallacy). You seem to think that fans' opinions are in some way an acceptable approximation of the opinion of a professional...they aren't.

You also seem to think that coaches are capable of judging teams they don't coach or coach against. They aren't.

in short...no one on the face of the earth is qualified to pass judgement on this topic. You should pray...pray to God himself for guidance...or a cheeseburger..or a sense of humor about yourself...

Now, if you'll excuse me...I'm off to see the ladies play!@

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:18 pm

PGY Tiercel wrote:Still stand by my statement, anytime you have group of people together, stupid things are bound to arise. Coaches and members of the media would fall into a category of 'Informed Participants" in which they know more than the public. (By the way, I never include myself as People) in regards to my statement I don't think asking a group of people will tell you anything other than an ill-conceived perception. And of course this includes BG fans. Not all posts on this site are works of genius. Having graduated from BGSU, and now at graduate school at UK, I know that intelligence is not required for admission/attendance to college. My god did I have dumb people in my classes.

The effects of masturbation, are half joke/half truth. Clearly two of them are myth, but one is real. Think about where the penis actually connects to in the body, Pull long, hard and often enough, it will have adverse effects.

How do you know that people in your class dont say that you are not all that intelligent? It seems a bit arrogant to me.

After all how can one really measure intelligence? It would seem very difficult for someone to measure it objectively.