Improved team from last year???

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Sorry, but I'm still not buying it. Any bit of improvement we may (or may not) have made in certain areas has been washed away from the regression in other areas.

I'll admit, we have improved in our place kicking. No question about it. But tell me where else we've gotten "better?" We still can't defend the run, we still can't defend the pass, we can't defend a mobile QB, we can't muster a consistent passing game, we can't pass protect and we can't bank on anything with, for or about our head coach. We've been somewhat effective running the ball at times (don't forget the 1 total yard rushing at MTSU), but that's something we were even able to do okay at times last year. So tell me, how are we any better??? And spare me the talk about "well we haven't been beaten 70-something to whatever" crap like we had happen past year! If this year's BG team played the 2016 Ohio State and Memphis teams over again, the 2017 BG team would get annihilated too. BG simply didn't face a team capable of beating it like that this year. That's why. But that doesn't make us improved because of it. It means we're still a bad team.

The bottom line is this: We do one thing consistently well - lose. It's what BG is good at and does well. And that doesn't make us improved over last year, it means it's just more of the same.
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My take: This team isn't that far away from contending for a division title. The Falcon defense actually looked pretty good today, especially in the first half against the pass. Ohio's receivers were *covered* by our guys. Most of Ohio's first half scoring was a consequence of Falcon miscues on offense -- the pick six and the rare Cleveland fumble deep in our end.

The Bobcats made some adjustments in the second half and these adjustments helped them. But, honestly, with another quarterback, I think we win this game. It was ridiculous how many times Falcon receivers were open deep and we just couldn't get them the ball. We all saw that.

I think our team is getting better each game. We have some problems that still need to be fixed. But the list of problems seems to be shrinking each game.
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Valid points all around. Here's my thoughts ...
- special teams is remarkable this year
- run defense is bad. You can't win giving 200+ on the ground
- the offense moves well at times. The offensive run game is all over the place, from explosive to effective to non existent. We probably had around 130 first half rush yards (shockingly I haven't looked at the stats yet but I'm on my phone here)
- the passing game is nowhere where it needs to be to run a Texas Tech offense and it wasn't last year either. I think the completion percentage is actually down this year with mostly the same personnel. Not a good look.
- six designed deep throws, six incompletions, between overthrows and drops. The game plan was to set up deep throws but the execution was not there. That reflects poorly upon the coaching if six attempts yielded zero success. If there's one drop or bad pass, it's a bad play. Six? That's lack of preparation.
- Schadenfreude, Ohio was toying with our defensive coordinator in the first half. The whole offensive game plan was to set up the QB run late in the game which pulled Ohio to the win. So while the defense did play well early, they also were playing into Ohio's hand by over-pursuing the RB.
- per eye test I think the play has improved since last year but not per stats and results. I'm willing to wait out the season before I make my final call on the matter.
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UAB who hasn't had a team in 3 years is 4-2. Tired of the Babers left a dumpster fire excuse. There is talent there to have more than one gift win.
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I've too had it with the bare cupboard excuse. If a coaching staff can't win with one of the most experienced offensive lines in the nation, a division and bowl champion QB with a B1G win and 3000 or so passing yards, a rb with over 1000 career yards, and 6 returning starters from a championship defense, that coaching staff has problems.
A good coaching staff can win with good talent, even if it is not who they recruited. A good coaching staff can adapt. Babers staff won with a team built to run a power based offense because they adapted and ran a ton out of a hurry up - and they were damn fine coaches. Many of those coaches are reveling in beating the defending National Champs.
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My take on this 2017 football team. First I am proud of these young men for going out and being student athletes and representing BGSU. It is always easy to point out why we are losing, but I do see a lot of bright areas on this team. We are only a few players away from being where we would like to be ((on top). This is my take

We are only five players away from really winning this conference.
We need 2 300lbs offensive linemen , two 300 lbs defensive linemen and one qb.
You can take your pick on the coach.

1. Defense: Was lights out first half, got fatigued the second. I believe our guys in the secondary are not 100% healthly but are playing and covering well.
2. Defense in my opinion just needs two big bodies up front 300 lbs plus linemen. We sure up that front line and we can win.
3. Offense need the same, a few 300 lbs linemen
4. Play the young receivers and new qb and we will win.
You cannot play football without a qualified QB.
Last is Coaching! You make the call on him, but be careful what you wish for!
I never heard a coach say that his players were not NFL quality players before. The only NFL talent that he has was the punter? That was hard to swallow coming from a D-1 coach in his last press conference. I do not believe nor would i have ever made a statement like that Coach Jinks! I have confidence in these young men and their dreams.
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Didn't I read that same message somewhere else. Lol
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MarkL wrote: - Schadenfreude, Ohio was toying with our defensive coordinator in the first half. The whole offensive game plan was to set up the QB run late in the game which pulled Ohio to the win. So while the defense did play well early, they also were playing into Ohio's hand by over-pursuing the RB.
I don't know if Ohio was toying with Elliano, but they definitely set up those QB runs by only going to them very late in the game. We agree in part.
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I disagree with that. Elliano defense came to play and did. Ohio made two great plays with the QB. Our linebacker was unable to get in position and the d end got taken down. The CB was run down the field 30 yards and taken out of play.
Great calls by Ohio. Like I said #1 offense will sometimes beat your #1 defense. That is called football.
Now if we had a real #1 offense BGSU would not be 1 -5. Special teams, defense is solid, just need the offense to play 4 quarters of football.

They will. I'm still rolling with BGSU!!!!
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Remember the "parity in the MAC" Jinks was talking about a few weeks ago? Umm, yeah, I'm not buying it or seeing it.
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Jinks appears to be the guy that has no clue how to fix the mess he's in...so he's just gonna start saying s**t to deflect attention from his glaring incompetence
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Yeah parity. We aren't a part of it though. There's parity in the NFL too but look at the Browns.
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kdog27 wrote:Yeah parity. We aren't a part of it though. There's parity in the NFL too but look at the Browns.
A very strong analogy
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It's tough... I kind of feel apathy towards the football program right now. Losing doesn't even sting anymore... I just expect it.

I hope we can get it turned around, and I hope Jinks can be the guy to do it. But man... it doesn't feel good right now.
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I am not ready to dismiss Jinks’ yet! However, I would get rid of the offensive line and QB coach tomorrow. There has not been any improvement on that side of the ball in two years. You can also make a case to dismiss the Offensive coord. It is clear the offense has cost this team at least 4 wins this year. Why are we not making a change? Where is the clock management? Why put Morgan back out there? Why give them the ball back with 2:19 seconds before half? Why are we running the ball on 1st down up the middle every series? There is a ten day break, now is the time for the AD to step up!
Espn commentators said we have a solid defense as the better teams in the MAC. We have a stud running back. 100 plus yards 3 weeks in a row. Some wide outs that can catch? No way should this team have only 1 win. Where is the AD? A shake up now might help our coach out 10 days off?
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