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Down 80-77 with 3.4 left after Akron hits a clutch 3.

Would have been nice to get that obvious charge call instead of them getting an and-one. It would be tied now. Oh well.
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No FGs last 4:32

We are 29-43 at the line.

Akron gave us the game and we didn't take advantage of it. TOO MANY free throws missed.
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Winning on the road in college basketball is extremely difficult.
Falcons downed, 80-78.
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transfer2BGSU wrote:No FGs last 4:32

We are 29-43 at the line.

Akron gave us the game and we didn't take advantage of it. TOO MANY free throws missed.
It was weird. We missed a ton of free throws to let them pest the lead up, but then were pretty money down the stretch when we needed them to keep in it.

Not gonna get too Brent out of shape about the no fgs late thing. Seems like we ended up at the love nearly every possession.

That charge changed to a block stung. They only showed one replay and he clearly was outside one arc but I didn't catch it it was the men's or women's. Then they never showed it again. Then the defense nutted up and got the big stop but couldn't box out when Akron's bigs were all fouled out.

Would've been nice to steal that one
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If you get to the line 43 times you should win.

Akron's starting C didn't play with his health issue, backup C Sayles smacked his head on the floor and didn't most of the 2nd half so a lot of the time Wiggins wasn't even being guarded by a post. The final Akron possession Akron misses a three and a non post freshman pushes Wiggins out of the way to get the board and kick it out for the winning three.

Akron's two best players in terms of avg ppg (Utomi, Duvivier) both fouled out. This should have been a game you win by 15, but missed FTs and Caldwell and Lillard being completely ineffective scoring killed us. Lillard was 0-1 from the field and 1-4 from the FT line.
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I have never liked Caldwell's game. Take out maybe 4 games total in the last 40 and he is a complete stinker. Cannot shoot, passes totally not worth much (like getting it to Wiggins with the ball below his knees or so high up he has to jump and get 5 feet out of position to catch it), loses it in traffic....

Why does this guy still play? I get that last year we weren't all that great and we played him to let him develop. Well, here's the development. A guy that's too small to be a factor on defense, doesn't score, and doesn't assist.

Same reason why Koch starts now, and he is obviously moving MUCH better on defense than he used to, so in his case it's working.

I'd be much happier starting Frye, Turner, Lillard, Koch and Wiggins. Not sure I would even bring Caldwell off the bench before Cummings if only to let Cummings maybe become the player we were hoping Caldwell would be.
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Akron came into the game winless in the MAC??? Never fear, Bowling Green is here. To say Akron has owned BG over the last decade would be a huge understatement. And this one was a heartbreaker.
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I dont really care about losing. I care about the team not developing. It seems like Wiggins is. Caldwell isn't , The offense isn't (is it possible that playing some bad teams lead to not having to run an offense to score and therefore really bad habits? 8 assists? If Caldwell isn't scoring and he isn't assisting what is he doing? )It consistently seems like we just have guys on the top who are trying to get the ball out of their own hands. Who is cutting? who is moving without the basketball? etc. Seems pretty non existent. I coached 8th grade basketball and we practiced once a week and this is what our offense looked like.
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I disagree with the offensive criticism. We are scoring (2nd in the MAC in PPG) we score well in transition, we run Princeton sets, do a good job of relocating after post entry and in general get a lot of post looks and open 3s. Our issues are more with consistency than anything. One big takeaway is Turner is a stud, he may end up averaging 20 ppg.
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JohnFloyd4Life wrote:I disagree with the offensive criticism. We are scoring (2nd in the MAC in PPG) we score well in transition, we run Princeton sets, do a good job of relocating after post entry and in general get a lot of post looks and open 3s. Our issues are more with consistency than anything. One big takeaway is Turner is a stud, he may end up averaging 20 ppg.
Any team that has 8 assists in a game has an offensive problem.
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I think the lack of assists is caused by so many guys going coast to coast when they score. Frye and Turner especially seem to do that a lot.

And yesterday, 29 of our 78 points came from free throws, and those can't be assisted on.
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hammb wrote:
transfer2BGSU wrote:No FGs last 4:32

We are 29-43 at the line.

Akron gave us the game and we didn't take advantage of it. TOO MANY free throws missed.
It was weird. We missed a ton of free throws to let them pest the lead up, but then were pretty money down the stretch when we needed them to keep in it.

Not gonna get too Brent out of shape about the no fgs late thing. Seems like we ended up at the love nearly every possession.

That charge changed to a block stung. They only showed one replay and he clearly was outside one arc but I didn't catch it it was the men's or women's. Then they never showed it again. Then the defense nutted up and got the big stop but couldn't box out when Akron's bigs were all fouled out.

Would've been nice to steal that one
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Globetrotter wrote:
JohnFloyd4Life wrote:I disagree with the offensive criticism. We are scoring (2nd in the MAC in PPG) we score well in transition, we run Princeton sets, do a good job of relocating after post entry and in general get a lot of post looks and open 3s. Our issues are more with consistency than anything. One big takeaway is Turner is a stud, he may end up averaging 20 ppg.
Any team that has 8 assists in a game has an offensive problem.
Yeah, I agree, but if you score 78 who cares? And I think the FTs are a huge factor in the lack of assists. Shooting 43 FTs means you had 20ish possessions that don't result in an assist but you still may have scored. They're averaging 14 assists a game, not good, but not horrible. But right now they're averaging 80 ppg, offense is not the issue.
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JohnFloyd4Life wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:
JohnFloyd4Life wrote:I disagree with the offensive criticism. We are scoring (2nd in the MAC in PPG) we score well in transition, we run Princeton sets, do a good job of relocating after post entry and in general get a lot of post looks and open 3s. Our issues are more with consistency than anything. One big takeaway is Turner is a stud, he may end up averaging 20 ppg.
Any team that has 8 assists in a game has an offensive problem.
Yeah, I agree, but if you score 78 who cares? And I think the FTs are a huge factor in the lack of assists. Shooting 43 FTs means you had 20ish possessions that don't result in an assist but you still may have scored. They're averaging 14 assists a game, not good, but not horrible. But right now they're averaging 80 ppg, offense is not the issue.
End of the game, need a good shot, need to have an offense that will get you one and not rely on transition.
What frustrates me also is we don't seem to give our bigs opportunity to rebound sometimes. Shoot really early before they are even in place.
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JohnFloyd4Life wrote:If you get to the line 43 times you should win.

Akron's starting C didn't play with his health issue, backup C Sayles smacked his head on the floor and didn't most of the 2nd half so a lot of the time Wiggins wasn't even being guarded by a post. The final Akron possession Akron misses a three and a non post freshman pushes Wiggins out of the way to get the board and kick it out for the winning three.

Akron's two best players in terms of avg ppg (Utomi, Duvivier) both fouled out. This should have been a game you win by 15, but missed FTs and Caldwell and Lillard being completely ineffective scoring killed us. Lillard was 0-1 from the field and 1-4 from the FT line.
I never cease to be surprised at how poorly some teams can shoot free throws these days. All of the emphasis on three point shooting and dunking has made that aspect of the game (for many players) unimportant, so they simply don't spend time improving it. And with limits on practice time, most teams can't use regular practices on free throw shooting -- it has to be done by the individual players on their own time.

People can focus on one call or anything else in a game like this, but the bottom line will still be: if you get that many chances at the line, you should win the game.
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