Michigan State in hot water

[gmartin]

Move this thread in other schools after a week if you seem fit but more heads are rolling up in East Lansing.

MSU AD Mark Hollis has resigned. This is 2 days after the University President Simon resigned.

Are more heads to roll? Dantonio and Izzo next. Izzo covered up alot the past few years with Appling and Payne off court issues. Dantonio had all the rape charges, underage drinking and partying and the kid driving without a license 7x. Football and basketball programs had Title IX charges brought against them. Could Izzo and Dantonio be next?

[jpfalcon09]

Move this thread in other schools after a week if you seem fit but more heads are rolling up in East Lansing.

MSU AD Mark Hollis has resigned. This is 2 days after the University President Simon resigned.

Are more heads to roll? Dantonio and Izzo next. Izzo covered up alot the past few years with Appling and Payne off court issues. Dantonio had all the rape charges, underage drinking and partying and the kid driving without a license 7x. Football and basketball programs had Title IX charges brought against them. Could Izzo and Dantonio be next?

Doubt anything happens to them immediately. If the NCAA investigation turns up anything consequential, they're gone. You'll probably see more higher up administrators be out the door in the coming weeks since their tone deaf statements the past few days have only poured gasoline on the inferno.

[gmartin]

OTL just reported hidden secrets buried under programs of Izzo and Dantonio. MSU Gymnastics, School and US Gymnastics Dr. Nassar, President Simon, AD Hollis and now possibly Dantonio and Izzo. This is much worse than Penn State and Baylor.

[jpfalcon09]

OTL just reported hidden secrets buried under programs of Izzo and Dantonio. MSU Gymnastics, School and US Gymnastics Dr. Nassar, President Simon, AD Hollis and now possibly Dantonio and Izzo. This is much worse than Penn State and Baylor.

Yeah, I saw that. Not surprising given what happened in 2016 with the football program, had to have known where there's smoke there's fire. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Izzo and Dantonio are left standing even after all this. MSU seems to have its priorities messed up and they'll do only something from a reactionary standpoint.

Here's the link: http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/222 ... -case-espn" target="_blank

[gmartin]

Not one to spread rumors but could Izzo be linked to what happened with Pitino at Louisville.

[It's the Journey...]

If this isn't "Lack of Institutional Control" I don't know what it. Most of you know I am an avid supporter of gymnastics here and in the MAC. I've been working with the BGSU team for 19 years now. I am sorry to say I know ladies who have survived his abuse. I also know this is not an isolated incident. The sport of gymnastics on the men's and women's side must change and hopefully now it will. This is not over and could radically change sports.

I certainly hope so.

[gmartin]

Now being reported that Izzo and Dantonio may resign within next few days however Izzo would like to finish out the season. What a mess!

[Rollo83]

Not one to spread rumors but could Izzo be linked to what happened with Pitino at Louisville.

Yeah, I think Izzo recommended the escort service used at Louisville to Pitino. They got a group discount...

[gmartin]

Not one to spread rumors but could Izzo be linked to what happened with Pitino at Louisville.

Yeah, I think Izzo recommended the escort service used at Louisville to Pitino. They got a group discount...

I didn't mean it that way, I meant could the same type of incident be happening under Izzo watch. Could Adidas and Under Armour be giving money to the student athletes.

[Flipper]

Izzo's response to the Nasser trial was....odd. He said,among other things, "I hope they got the right guy". The entire response from the MSU admin was odd...former President Simon was " too busy" to come to court to hear victim's impact statements. The trial judge did an amazing thing by promising every victim who wanted to confront Nasser in open court that they would be heard and he would be forced to sit next to her and listen. The University responded to this unexpectedly large, cathartic outpouring of emotion by acting like they hoped it would just go away.

It didn't...it isn't and now they're going to have to deal with it.

[MarkL]

The story that really got me was one of the girls who was molested when she was young reported it to her parents. They didn't believe her. She continued her gymnastics which put her in a position to be harmed again and her parents still didn't believe her.
Her father has since committed suicide. Now obviously I'm not going to say that a led to b led to c led to suicide. However I can only imagine the pain and guilt going through his head if he found that his daughter was in fact telling the truth and he allowed her to be hurt again and again.
Frankly whatever happens to anyone who knew a thing about what was going on will be deserved. If that means almost every administrator at MSU is on the unemployment line tomorrow, fine by me. Blow it all up and start anew. Let this kind of behavior never happen again and oust these creeps the moment they are found.

[mbenecke]

It sounds as though this extends far beyond Michigan State, as it was reported last night that NCAA President Mark Emmert knew of 37 instances of sexual assault all the way back in 2010, and he did nothing about it.

This story could be much bigger than it is currently.

[gmartin]

The ESPN OTL story was about all the cover-ups the university did. Go back and read the report. Nassar is only briefly mentioned. They are talking about 16 sexual abuse cases regarding the football team. They are talking about C.J Scott and his 7 arrests/violations. They are talking about in 2010 two basketball players raped a girl, was reported to Izzo and charges were dismissed. About how MSU failed to comply to Title IX. How documents were missing and peoples names were blacked out. The ESPN story is long and alarming. This is no longer about Nassar but MSU trying to cover things up. Don't you find it interesting and odd that AD Hollis resigns 2 hours before this story breaks. Dantonio and Izzo now say they wont resign but that doesn't mean they won't be fired.

[Flipper]

There's a cult of personality at MSU surrounding Izzo and to a lesser extent Dantonio. Its typically not a good thing to have a coach with that much power

[Falconwriter]

There's a cult of personality at MSU surrounding Izzo and to a lesser extent Dantonio. Its typically not a good thing to have a coach with that much power

Bingo. Look at what happened in Happy Valley for decades. All that covering up so a predator could continue on his way and the football program didn't get in hot water (and I also believe Paterno covered it up to save his own reputation; the man was an ego maniac, even though the cult of Paterno will deny and excuse his behavior until the end of time.)

If all of these horrible incidents and cover ups are, in fact, verified, MSU should face the same near-death penalty that PSU got. I was opposed to the NCAA letting PSU off the hook early (and now we find out the guy who was behind that, has apparently covered up a number of incidents in his role as head of the NCAA)...and now it looks like he'll face some fury on his own.