THE TRUTH HURTS!

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:51 am

This was Ron Lewis' quote in the paper about leaving BG:

"[At Bowling Green] they have players leaving every year, and I didn't feel we were getting any better. We couldn't develop any continuity."

Now whether or not we agree with Ron leaving, or if it's a good or bad thing he's leaving, the truth of the matter is, we DO have players leaving ever year. Ron Lewis aside, it is very disturbing to see the amount of turnover year after year in BG men's basketball. I know some reasons are for personal issues, and some are for individual reasons, and transfers happen at every school. But I for one am just sick and tired of watching teams here at BG year after year appear to turn to the corner and show signs of promise, then get picked apart by player defections. The amount of turnover we have been experiencing is excessive and it's hurting us on and off the court. From our recent poor performances on the court, to potential recruits becoming aware of the revolving door at BG, I'm ready for it to stop.

We may all have a different interpretation about Ron Lewis and the rest of the guys who have left in the last few years, but the bottom line is – they all did leave. I'm ready for guys to come in and stay and start making BG basketball what it should be. It's the way it used to be, and it's the way it supposed to be. We're better than this.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:02 am

DD needs to get some stability back in the program. There is no question about it.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:44 pm

Yeah, that really is the bottom line, isn't it. There are a lot of factors and variables as to why people are leaving, but the fact of how many are leaving is alarming. Losing this amount of players year after year essentially keeps putting us back into the "rebuilding mode" year after year.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:55 pm

"[At Bowling Green] they have players leaving every year, and I didn't feel we were getting any better. We couldn't develop any continuity."

If players say they don't feel like the team is getting better, they shouldn't be there. Maybe I'm wrong here, but until the team starts believing they are getting better (no matter if they are or not), they will never actually get better. Basketball requires a mentality to win and I know we still have some great players with a lot of heart that will run down the court with Falcon Pride. If they believe they are getting better and step their game up, they will be better than most are assuming.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 3:31 pm

"If you build it, they will come"

Pure and simple, we need a facilty worthy of D-1A basketball in order to attract and keep the best talent. BG is not an automatic ticket to the NBA like Ron wanted, so a top notch gym and locker room would do wonders for the hoops program perception. The gym doesn't half to be Rupp, but it does have to be an improvement over Anderson. I don't care if it's extensive remodeling/expansion or a new arena, BG sorely needs something it can market to recruits, players and fans. Having a new facility would likely help in keeping the likes of Ron et al. from having facilty envy, which can snowball into program resentment.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:24 pm

McMetz811 wrote:If players say they don't feel like the team is getting better, they shouldn't be there. Maybe I'm wrong here, but until the team starts believing they are getting better (no matter if they are or not), they will never actually get better.

The team wasn't getting better. It doesn't matter what you say or think about it. A team that belives (as you suggest) they are getting better when they in reality are not will never get better, because improving means changing what you are doing for the better, and you don't do that when you fool yourself about what is working and what isn't.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:42 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:
McMetz811 wrote:If players say they don't feel like the team is getting better, they shouldn't be there. Maybe I'm wrong here, but until the team starts believing they are getting better (no matter if they are or not), they will never actually get better.
The team wasn't getting better. It doesn't matter what you say or think about it. A team that belives (as you suggest) they are getting better when they in reality are not will never get better, because improving means changing what you are doing for the better, and you don't do that when you fool yourself about what is working and what isn't.

I'm not saying fool yourself into thinking you are better. I'm saying you can only be as good as you believe you are. If players think the team sucks, then the team is going to suck. If they think they are the best in the nation, then having that mindset will definitely help them win games. I hope that makes more sense...lol

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:28 pm

There's some truth to that, but no matter how much time you spend convincing a pig that he's a pigeon, it will never be enough to make pushing him out a window a winning proposition.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:31 pm

All I know is, we haven't shown signs in the last few years of getting better and we've had a lot of guys leaving the team for various reasons during that time. When I add those two things up, it's doesn't equal good things for the team. I believe if we can keep guys around, we'll start winning again, and that will breed success and togetherness. Every day that I come on this board now I find myself holding my breath and asking myself, "what's next?" Sometimes the best news here is - no news at all.

Every day is a new day for the team and I hope we are finished with our share of this crap because frankly – enough is enough with all of this already. We might not have the best arena and we might not have the most talented players, but we sure as heck should be better than what we have amounted to the last few years. The season is right around the corner, and I think it's fair to say we're going to have our work cut out for us again. But if some of us here have reservations or concerns about our team's status and well-being, it can't come as a surprise or shock, I know that much.

I'll be pulling for them no matter what, but I sure as heck hope we're done with all the distractions and defections.

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:48 am

Flipper wrote:There's some truth to that, but no matter how much time you spend convincing a pig that he's a pigeon, it will never be enough to make pushing him out a window a winning proposition.

Profundity, thy name is Flipper!

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 1:15 pm

Thanks, but I probaly should have used "eagle"instead of "pigeon".

It sounds more American...

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:09 pm

Flipper wrote:Thanks, but I probaly should have used "eagle"instead of "pigeon".

It sounds more American...

Yeah, but then you'd have lost the impact of alliteration!

BGSU96 · Post by **BGSU96** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:46 pm

Since Dakich bolted for WV and then came back to BG a week later, many of his players have developed this attitude that if Dakich doesn't want to be at BG then why should they. Whether we want to admit it or not, we will continue to lose some great players and recruits because they dont' think that Dakich will be around long enough for them to finish their college basketball careers under him. I think he is a great guy, but it will take a few more seasons before the WV fiasco is behind us.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:53 pm

I doubt if Dan Dakich is on any coaching hot lists right now...he's a secure as he ever has been.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:41 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:I doubt if Dan Dakich is on any coaching hot lists right now...he's a secure as he ever has been.

Yeah, secure in the fact that no one is going to be hiring him away from BG anytime soon. However, not so secure in terms of job security at BG unless he gets this thing turned around quickly. Just my opinion though. No real evidence that supports that his job is in jeopardy.