BG vs CMU at CMU Monday

[zete]

A very disappointing ending to the season...lost the last 6.

Anthony Stacey"s absence down the stretch may have played into it more than we realize.

[Flipper]

You could be 100% be right about that, zete...and if Stacy is THAT important...what does that say about Huger?

[guest44]

Lol, did it help to lose an assistant coach to an injury? Of course not. Let’s not act like Stacey is the next Coach K here. All the metrics said BG wasnt good with or without Stacey. Hell, they were 85 to 1 to win the MAC Tournament.

[Flipper]

So...you don't think the correlation between Stacy's injury and our sudden tailspin from a 16-10 team with some momentum into a 16-16 team is striking? I do...

[guest44]

It wasn’t sudden. BG played awful vs Eastern and made miracle comeback. Eastern was equally awful in the 2nd half. BG made miracle comeback vs Western Michigan aided by a horrendous call in BG’s favor. The tailspin really started closer to when Caldwell started shooting about 25%. And they played no defense all year so margin of error was slim. That was back when BG lost to Northern Illinois and Toledo by like a combined 70 in a week .

[Flipper]

You're back filling and making excuses...we made great comebacks and had some nice wins. s**t like bad calls and horrendous plays happen...it's called basketball. We lost six in a row after one of our AC's blew out a quad....that's a very striking correlation. Now..correlation and causation are two vastly different things...but it's worth considering

[hammb]

It's possible the late season swoon was in part attributable to losing Stacey. Although, in reality we were playing like garbage before that and were just fortunate to pull out some wins in games we probably shouldn't have. Seriously, has anybody stopped to think how awful our season would look if we didn't have that crazy stretch of winning 3 straight games in which we had trailed by 15+ points?

This roster, while talented, is FLAWED. It's not built for today's game of basketball. We have far too many players that don't have the requisite size/athleticism to play defense in our league. We've got too many paint only post players. The only guy I'd consider a true knockdown outside shooter, Fox, is so awful on defense he costs you as much as he gives when you've got him on the floor. We don't have a single true PG. I like nearly every contributing player on this team, I think there is plenty of talent, but I don't think this is a roster built to win. Unless we see some precipitous growth in a few of these players, I'm already pessimistic about last season.

This group could never defend anybody, and as we started playing better teams that had studied us more they clogged up our offense. We only have 1 legit scorer that can consistently create, and he's a streaky freshman. Once we got slowed down on offense we were forced into way too many bad shots, resulting in the worst shooting team in the MAC. Being the worst shooting team in the league combined with probably the worst defensive team in the league...we were lucky to win as many league games as we did.

[CrazyFan]

You're back filling and making excuses

Making excuses is what half this board does. Huger is over his head, Jinx is way over his head, and Roos drowned 2 years ago. 3 of our 4 biggest revenue sports are a complete joke and embarrassment. But we hold on tightly to that “were young, wait till next year” excuse just to bail out sh*t coaching. I differ on opinion that many of you about what can be done. I believe that if the Crapletic Department really wanted to rid themselves of these cancers, they could. And if they truly can’t, they should be ashamed of their department for losing the alumni that could have made that buyout happen in the past. What about the Frack money? Right now, were spending it to bring in sh*t opponents to the Stroh and also using it to fly charter to get our azzes embarrassed on someone else’s court. If your going to piss away the Frack money, why not piss it away trying to put the basketball team in a better position to win in the future by dumping the coach who can’t coach? The Frack money was intended to take BG to the next level, to bring in quality opponents and to pay quality coaches. Now its used as a backdoor to better fund the other sports programs, like their circus football program under the direction of the head clown Mike Jinx. It’s a shame.

[Flipper]

Dude...learn to exhale and use paragraphs or something.

No one is saying we SHOULD wait until next year....I think we're all resigned to the fact that we HAVE to wait til next year or some years after that so we may as well hope for the best while we do so.

[guest44]

We have to wait until next year? I think you mean wait until 2021. That’s when the initial effects of Kingston finally go away. In the meantime we will just employ his people until they find better jobs. Systematic incompetence.

[gmartin]

It amazes me how bad Koch plays defense. He is Ohio's all-time leading High School rebounder. However here at BG he cannot play a lick of drfense. Alot of that has to do because he is out of position and having bad matchups because Wiggins is also on the floor. I would make Koch the backup to Wiggins. However, if Wiggins struggles and plays like he did last night I would have no problem starting Koch over Wiggins. Wiggins does give you rebounds but what else does he give you. Shooting 1-9 from the floor and constantly missing 3-foot baskets is not giving you anything. Uju had six rebounds in 5 minutes. He played defense. As I said in an earlier post it's either the Mac East title next year or Huger needs to go.

[hammb]

Yup, I think most of us that have followed the program closely the past 3 years are mostly in agreement with CrazyFan. I don't see many of the "die hards" saying, "We're on the right track!" or "I can't wait until next year!" I don't think there is anybody that would be real sad if they fired Huger today. I'd personally be really excited about a change in direction, because in 3 years the program has been the same flatline of mediocrity that Orr and Dakich 2.0 were. I like Huger as a person, but as a coach he hasn't moved the needle one bit.

But I'm also realistic enough to realize that the chances of us buying out 3 years of him are probably less than .1%. I (and most) of us have pretty well resigned ourselves to the fact that we are going to at least give him next year to show the growth that we should have seen THIS year. What makes me upset is the fact that I fear next year will be more of the same, or only marginal improvement, and that the chances we will move on after NEXT year are probably not that much higher than they are this year. THAT pisses me off.

I also get pissed when I think about how nothing has been done to improve this program after the most generous gift in MAC basketball history. Quite frankly there is zero reason why we shouldn't be the most well funded dominant hoops program in the conference. WE should be the program that is going out and finding the next hot coach candidate, and doing whatever it takes to hire him. WE should be the program going out and playing above our heads in OOC play. WE should be the premier program in one of the nicest/newest venues in our league. And yet, still...we're mediocre to crappy. That stuff pisses me off as much as it does CrazyFan. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what I, or any of us, can do to change all that. The one person who had that power passed away, and now they've just decided to squander his money wallowing in the same trend of basketball we were on before he gifted it to us.

Hell, at this point maybe they should start with figuring out how to handle GameDay ops...THAT shouldn't cost any money. It's f***ing ridiculous that a friend of ours wasn't even allowed to come down to our seats to say hi during the last game because we had reserved seats and he bought general admission. That's a kid that used to be a frequent poster on this site, used to sit courtside with me at every Anderson game, used to be a massive BG fan...and they have f***ed up gameday ops so bad that he made one visit to the Stroh this year, and even THAT left a bad taste in his mouth. Well done BG, well done...

[hammb]

It amazes me how bad Koch plays defense. He is Ohio's all-time leading High School rebounder. However here at BG he cannot play a lick of drfense. Alot of that has to do because he is out of position and having bad matchups because Wiggins is also on the floor. I would make Koch the backup to Wiggins. However, if Wiggins struggles and plays like he did last night I would have no problem starting Koch over Wiggins. Wiggins does give you rebounds but what else does he give you. Shooting 1-9 from the floor and constantly missing 3-foot baskets is not giving you anything. Uju had six rebounds in 5 minutes. He played defense. As I said in an earlier post it's either the Mac East title next year or Huger needs to go.

Agreed whole-heartedly with your conclusion.

On the Koch thing, Huger needs to figure out what the hell he wants from him. ANybody with 2 eyes can see he is NOT a modern MAC PF. He can stretch the floor ok with his shooting, but he's so unathletic he rarely sees open looks from the outside. I think he can be a serviceable 5 in this league, but as you said, he can NOT be on the floor the same time as Wiggins. It's a testament to how the game has changed. I think Koch is a better player than Cowboy was, and he played along side Lenny without issue. But now? You cannot park 2 guys down low on the blocks...that's not the way the game is played anymore. More importantly our OPPONENTS aren't putting 2 guys down on the blocks, and neither Koch nor Wiggins can guard anything away from the basket.

Personally, I'd like to see if Koch can drop 25 pounds and gain any quickness whatsoever. It's a risk, because if he loses the weight and still has cement feet you've created a vastly undersized post player with no quickness. But I think this is the only hope to get him on the floor next year and have success. Otherwise, like you said, he should be the primary backup for Wiggins (as he should have been this season).

The only legit modern MAC PF we have on this roster is Plowden. Who got worse as his playing time diminished this season. He completely lost his jumper that looked good early, and made a lot of boneheaded mistakes the 2nd half of the season. We need him to step up next year and become the starter at the 4.

And we need to find another SF/PF athlete to give our final scholarship to. You can't win in the MAC with only 3 athletic wings. (Plowden, Turner, Lillard) From what I've seen heard that Matiss kid should be able to replace Fox as a spot up shooter, but I don't know that he's the athlete we'll want at that spot on defense.

[Flipper]

Yup, I think most of us that have followed the program closely the past 3 years are mostly in agreement with CrazyFan. I don't see many of the "die hards" saying, "We're on the right track!" or "I can't wait until next year!" I don't think there is anybody that would be real sad if they fired Huger today. I'd personally be really excited about a change in direction, because in 3 years the program has been the same flatline of mediocrity that Orr and Dakich 2.0 were. I like Huger as a person, but as a coach he hasn't moved the needle one bit.

But I'm also realistic enough to realize that the chances of us buying out 3 years of him are probably less than .1%. I (and most) of us have pretty well resigned ourselves to the fact that we are going to at least give him next year to show the growth that we should have seen THIS year. What makes me upset is the fact that I fear next year will be more of the same, or only marginal improvement, and that the chances we will move on after NEXT year are probably not that much higher than they are this year. THAT pisses me off.

I also get pissed when I think about how nothing has been done to improve this program after the most generous gift in MAC basketball history. Quite frankly there is zero reason why we shouldn't be the most well funded dominant hoops program in the conference. WE should be the program that is going out and finding the next hot coach candidate, and doing whatever it takes to hire him. WE should be the program going out and playing above our heads in OOC play. WE should be the premier program in one of the nicest/newest venues in our league. And yet, still...we're mediocre to crappy. That stuff pisses me off as much as it does CrazyFan. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what I, or any of us, can do to change all that. The one person who had that power passed away, and now they've just decided to squander his money wallowing in the same trend of basketball we were on before he gifted it to us.

Hell, at this point maybe they should start with figuring out how to handle GameDay ops...THAT shouldn't cost any money. It's f***ing ridiculous that a friend of ours wasn't even allowed to come down to our seats to say hi during the last game because we had reserved seats and he bought general admission. That's a kid that used to be a frequent poster on this site, used to sit courtside with me at every Anderson game, used to be a massive BG fan...and they have f***ed up gameday ops so bad that he made one visit to the Stroh this year, and even THAT left a bad taste in his mouth. Well done BG, well done...

They...don't...care...about...you. Or anyone else who isn't writing a big check or working for ESPN.

[hammb]

They...don't...care...about...you. Or anyone else who isn't writing a big check or working for ESPN.

Oh they make that adamantly clear on a routine basis! I live under no delusions that they do.

It's not coincidence that Jans was the hire when Mr. Frack was alive, then Huger was the hire after he passed away.