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[MarkL]

It's great he's recruited well. Doesn't mean much if you and your staff can't coach worth a damn.

Or if his classes have led to uncharted attrition levels.

[Flipper]

I don't care enough to do the research. but it feels like a lot of players have left...some of them in handcuffs

[hammb]

Moreover, I'll again use this opportunity to get on my recruiting soapbox: I don't think recruiting rankings in the MAC mean a whole heckuva lot. We get excited about these recruiting rankings, and even Jinks is reading his own press clippings talking about how his classes have been the best in school history. But that stuff is all meaningless. THe classes look better nowadays because recruits are ranked a lot higher nowadays. Back in the day they used to automatically make a guy a 1* recruit if they didn't have film on him. Now they have film on almost anybody so there are more 2* and 3* players than there used to be.

Even though they have more film of our guys, and they are ranked higher, I still don't think anybody is really watching our recruits all that closely to scout how good they really are. I think a lot of 1* & 2* guys are getting graded up a level because these services now have a highlight video that makes a kid look good. Conversely in year's past guys were getting graded down a level because they just didn't have film on them.

Recruiting rankings mean jack at all levels of college football. They mean less than jack at the MAC level. And I don't know if I find it laughable or simply pathetic to hear our coach talking about his recruiting rankings as if that means anything? Until we start seeing those recruits turn into difference making players on the field in BG uniforms, who cares? And thus far all too few of them have turned into anything....and that says nothing to the attrition rates that seem unacceptably high.

[Dayons_Den]

Moreover, I'll again use this opportunity to get on my recruiting soapbox: I don't think recruiting rankings in the MAC mean a whole heckuva lot. We get excited about these recruiting rankings, and even Jinks is reading his own press clippings talking about how his classes have been the best in school history. But that stuff is all meaningless. THe classes look better nowadays because recruits are ranked a lot higher nowadays. Back in the day they used to automatically make a guy a 1* recruit if they didn't have film on him. Now they have film on almost anybody so there are more 2* and 3* players than there used to be.

Even though they have more film of our guys, and they are ranked higher, I still don't think anybody is really watching our recruits all that closely to scout how good they really are. I think a lot of 1* & 2* guys are getting graded up a level because these services now have a highlight video that makes a kid look good. Conversely in year's past guys were getting graded down a level because they just didn't have film on them.

Recruiting rankings mean jack at all levels of college football. They mean less than jack at the MAC level. And I don't know if I find it laughable or simply pathetic to hear our coach talking about his recruiting rankings as if that means anything? Until we start seeing those recruits turn into difference making players on the field in BG uniforms, who cares? And thus far all too few of them have turned into anything....and that says nothing to the attrition rates that seem unacceptably high.

Good points. Taking it a step further, if he IS getting "the best recruiting classes in school history" and isn't producing WINS with them than the argument about getting top talent actually becomes a DETRIMENT to the job that he is doing as the Head Football Coach.

[Lord_Byron]

I turned a job down once that would have given me a substantial raise. Reason: I felt I was walking into a position set to fail. I did not have the experience I felt necessary nor did I feel the team I would have been joining would be one where I could succeed or wanted to stay for any amount of time. So I said no and wished them luck at hiring the right guy. I was doing fine, I was in no need for an urgent change. I was in a position to say no to anything that was not ideal.

Jinks had a fine job and a fine salary in a low cost area of the country. He was in a position to say no. So yeah, I relate to the argument that he should have said no if he didn't feel he was the right candidate.

As someone who worked in HR for 25 years, what you describe is not that uncommon. However, it's sort of and Apples/Pears comparison. The money involved in the job offer is usually not at a life-changing level. Typically it is substantially more than the current salary, but not exponentially larger.

Had your new employer offered you a guaranteed $2M to take the job, your decision process may have been slightly altered.

That said, Jinks was not the correct hire, and the damage it may do to our program may last for a while.

[kdog27]

Also something that gets forgotten because the babers blame train is the 2016 team most people expected that team to repeat in the MAC east. Jinks himself mentioned how impressed he was with the talent that summer. A different tune starting getting played when the losses piled up.

[hammb]

Good points. Taking it a step further, if he IS getting "the best recruiting classes in school history" and isn't producing WINS with them than the argument about getting top talent actually becomes a DETRIMENT to the job that he is doing as the Head Football Coach.

Another good point.

I'll admit with the changes to ESPN streaming and general lack of interest the only game I've watched this year was the EKU game. But from what I saw in that game, I'm not seeing anything that jumps out as great individual players either. I'm sure we've got plenty of good talent on this team, but this does NOT look like your classic team that "has a ton of talent" but is just lacking coaching. It looks to me like our recruiting classes were overrated AND we lack solid coaching (gameday and otherwise). Certainly on the lines I'm just not seeing any overwhelming talent. EKU looked better than us up front, and that shouldn't happen even if all of our linemen are coming straight from HS. We should be recruiting so many levels above them that by pure talent we should dominate the LOS. And we got completely dominated up front.

That, more than anything, tells me where we're at as a program. It's just not good enough.

[CrazyFan]

Also something that gets forgotten because the babers blame train is the 2016 team most people expected that team to repeat in the MAC east. Jinks himself mentioned how impressed he was with the talent that summer. A different tune starting getting played when the losses piled up.

Exactly. I think the "Babers left the cupboard bare" excuse is the lamest excuse out there, and is a biased and uninformed opinion. Scapegoat opinion. There was a good amount of talent on this team when Babers left to at least compete in the MAC. Jinx just didnt know how to utilize it because HE'S NOT A GOOD COACH. It's as simple as that.

[mbenecke]

One of these coaches did not recruit like the others. That same coach profited off the previous coach's excellent foundation, capitalized, and struck while the iron was hot. I don't blame him for this, but we can't pretend this coach didn't do some damage to our program's long-term health.

2013 MAC rank: 2nd - Clawson

2014 MAC rank: 7th - Babers
2015 MAC rank: 8th - Babers

2016 MAC rank: 5th - Jinks
2017 MAC rank: 2nd - Jinks
2018 MAC rank: 3rd - Jinks

Just saying. You can't dispute that one of these coaches lacked in the recruiting area, which has impacted the amount of talent on the team the last few years. That's not bias. There's no bias in these rankings. They're just facts.

[Beaker]

I don't think Babers or Jinks recruited well. I don't care about the fictional rankings someone comes up with. If your players are smaller, slower and less skilled than your opponents and you're losing games, then that has a pretty strong correlation with poor recruiting. I understand coaching and development also factor into it, but after 3 years of supposedly strong recruiting, I see a team that walks onto the field and looks physically outmatched against MAC opponents before a game even starts.

Until we get guys big enough and strong enough to hold their own on the line of scrimmage, then we aren't winning. Having some decent skill players isn't going to win games if the QB has no time to throw, the RB has no holes to hit and our defensive front looks like they're playing in roller skates. We used to get guys like Chris Jones, Brandon Hicks, Scott Mruczkowski and Kory Lichtensteiger. Those types of guys are still out there - we're just not getting them.

[Siborg]

On the Defensive line, we did lose a significant number of interior D-lineman since last year (4 out of 7). We also picked up some walk-ons, xfers but with less experience here. Add to that perhaps two starters at D-End in Konowalski(injured) and Hutchens(dismissed)

gone from last year's roster
Interior D-Line
57 6.04, 283,r-Fr, Tyree Jackson (schollie recruit)
92 6.02, 323,r-Fr, Clayon May (schollie recruit)
61 6.03, 278,r-Fr, Jack McCarthy
90 6.02, 298,r-Fr, Jamari Rouse (schollie recruit)
D-Ends
44 6.04 240,r-So, Dirion Hutchins (schollie recruit)

D-End remaining from last year
20 6.04, 247,r-Fr, Jordan Murphy (schollie recruit)
56 6.03, 259,r-Fr, Walter Haire (schollie recruit) (Unsure if injured or not)
94 6.04, 244,r-So, Kaduri Lockhart (injured)
8 6.03, 240,r-Sr, David Konowalski (injured)
9 6.03, 243,r-So, Roland Walder (xUK)
50 6.02, 255,r-Sr, Jonah Harper
45 6.04, 251,r-Sr, Brian Sanders (switched to TE/HBack)

Interior DLine remaining from last year
97 6.02, 275, So, Josh Croslen (schollie recruit)
53 6.03, 280,r-Jr, Nico Lautanen (schollie recruit)
95 6.04, 271,r-Jr, Kyle Junior (schollie recruit)

New this fall
17 6.04, 235, Fr, Karl Brooks (schollie recruit)
85 6.04, 253, Fr, Jovan Henderson (schollie recruit)
35 6.01, 275,r-Jr, Demontae Haigler
91 6.01, 282, Sr, James Spells
95 6.01, 273,r-So, Coleman Dennis
49 6.00, 280, Jr, Emmanual Sadala
90 5.11, 271, Jr, Nigel Montgomery
99 6.00, 235, Jr, Kordell Chaney

[MarkL]

Great digging, Siborg.

Four scholarship underclassmen defensive linemen gone. All Jinks recruits. Any guesses why the defense is struggling so much against the run?

Quote from Greg Christopher after firing Gregg Brandon:
"There have been some off-the-field things that I think ultimately have impacted what's happened on the field." Seems to be a strong parallel here.

[Flipper]

We aren't competitive against decent MAC teams...our most competitive games the past couple of years have been with FCS schools...,what does that say about our talent level?

[guest44]

BG has played 3 FCS schools in Jinks time. He is 2-1 and his 2 wins have both come on the final play. Basically, he is such a bad coach, he coaches better talent to the mediocre FCS level. More telling is Jinks 7-21 record against the spread. Vegas can't even measure how terrible he is. Here is the plan, everyone bet against BG every week, and use the winnings toward his buyout with a stipulation that all of Chris Kingston's hand picked hires, leave BGSU.

[Siborg]

I just saw this on ESPN's website. Fan Happiness Index. Check out who's last.

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