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[Schadenfreude]

There are other coaches on the staff. There are plenty of players on the team. The coach before him didn't do him any favors in continuing to build a program. There are plenty of other things the blame can fall to. Jinks will take the brunt of it - it comes with the job. But to say he is 100% at fault is a bit much.

Sure. But to try to make this about the athletic director, as some are now doing, isn't fair to our athletic director.

Your missing the point Schadenfreude. I'm not soley blaming Moose. I'm not soley blaming Jinks (and you all know that I hate Mike Jinks as a head football coach). I am blaming the Athletic Department as a whole. I am blaming people in the athletic department that were brought over by Kingston and held onto by Moose when Kingston bolted. This 0 out of 100 is years in the making. It's not only BG Football. It's BG Basketball. It's BG Women's Basketball. It's BG's gameday experiences. It's BG's marketing. It's BG's promotions. It's BG's fan experience. All of this stuff attributes to that 0 out of 100. Those ranking didn't say anything about soley being about just football experience. They are lacking in it all! And that falls on the Athletic Department. And if it's not Moose's fault, then it's other peoples fault. And maybe Moose should start bringing in his own people for senior atheltic department positions and get things turned around!

I don't think I'm missing your point. I just don't think much of it.

From where I sit, Moose is doing a fantastic job. Hiring Robyn Fralick was a home run. Off the football field, I see some very smart decisions. For example:

-- Moving the home side of the field to the east side. This was very smart. When crowds return to normal -- and they will -- our games will look much better on television.
-- Improved concessions. We've talked about bringing in food trucks for years. They finally had some set up in the end zone at the Maryland game (the only game I've been able to attend this year). This wasn't hard, but he got it done.

Moose seems to know what he's doing. He came in with a mess to clean up. Step by step, he seems to be doing it.

[Schadenfreude]

. I'm sure there are a lot of creative and innovative minds out there that wouldn't allow their athletic department to score 0 out of 100.

The score applied to football, not the entire athletic department. And it isn't exactly scientific.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... ness-index" target="_blank

[hammb]

There are other coaches on the staff. There are plenty of players on the team. The coach before him didn't do him any favors in continuing to build a program. There are plenty of other things the blame can fall to. Jinks will take the brunt of it - it comes with the job. But to say he is 100% at fault is a bit much.

Sure. But to try to make this about the athletic director, as some are now doing, isn't fair to our athletic director.

Your missing the point Schadenfreude. I'm not soley blaming Moose. I'm not soley blaming Jinks (and you all know that I hate Mike Jinks as a head football coach). I am blaming the Athletic Department as a whole. I am blaming people in the athletic department that were brought over by Kingston and held onto by Moose when Kingston bolted. This 0 out of 100 is years in the making. It's not only BG Football. It's BG Basketball. It's BG Women's Basketball. It's BG's gameday experiences. It's BG's marketing. It's BG's promotions. It's BG's fan experience. All of this stuff attributes to that 0 out of 100. Those ranking didn't say anything about soley being about just football experience. They are lacking in it all! And that falls on the Athletic Department. And if it's not Moose's fault, then it's other peoples fault. And maybe Moose should start bringing in his own people for senior atheltic department positions and get things turned around!

I don't think I'm missing your point. I just don't think much of it.

From where I sit, Moose is doing a fantastic job. Hiring Robyn Fralick was a home run. Off the football field, I see some very smart decisions. For example:

-- Moving the home side of the field to the east side. This was very smart. When crowds return to normal -- and they will -- our games will look much better on television.
-- Improved concessions. We've talked about bringing in food trucks for years. They finally had some set up in the end zone at the Maryland game (the only game I've been able to attend this year). This wasn't hard, but he got it done.

Moose seems to know what he's doing. He came in with a mess to clean up. Step by step, he seems to be doing it.

I'm indifferent about the moving the team. I do think moving the band out of the stands build specifically for them was asinine, but moving the team to the other side doesn't bother me in the least (wasn't that long ago they were over there anyhow). Moving the student section to the side that is less popular makes perfect sense to me as well.

In my one game this year, major props to the improved concessions. As usual, we tailgated so I didn't really purchase food, but it was cool to buy Bud Light bottles from the mobile bar thing, and they had other games on TV to watch during the game as well. Not for me, as I'm mostly only concerned with BG anyhow, but a great touch for casual fans.

They also had the Displaced Chef food truck. That's a solid food truck that offers food that is LIGHT YEARS better than our general concessions (and at reasonable prices as well). They also had a local BBQ guy, and I'm trying to remember, I think it was either Po'Mo's or WeBRibs. Both are solid, long time, local Toledo BBQ guys. Again, I didn't purchase anything from either of these due to my tailgating habit, but this is a very big step in the right direction.

They also seemed to have more portajohns available in the lots than usual, which is another good thing.They didn't harass us when we arrived about where we could/couldn't park which is good. We didn't have issues getting through line security in a timely fashion with Diaper bags in tow, etc.

All in all I thought our gameday experience was solid. Now the team itself was garbage, but the rest of the day was an enjoyable experience.

[BGFalconfromCincy]

From where I sit, Moose is doing a fantastic job. Hiring Robyn Fralick was a home run. Off the football field, I see some very smart decisions. For example:

Lets not forget about another hire Moose made. Seems like the women's soccer coach he hired was a home run hire as well

[pdt1081]

Having worked in a major athletic departments, I can say it's a lot easier said that done to completely turn over a department. These aren't coaches with contracts. They are people that would need to be let go with just cause or risk wrongful termination claims.

Ohio is an "At Will" state. There is no just cause or wrongful termination claim unless you have a signed contract that is violated.

[BillyLP]

Having worked in a major athletic departments, I can say it's a lot easier said that done to completely turn over a department. These aren't coaches with contracts. They are people that would need to be let go with just cause or risk wrongful termination claims.

Ohio is an "At Will" state. There is no just cause or wrongful termination claim unless you have a signed contract that is violated.

Ahh good catch. Haven’t been in Ohio since I graduated so I should have checked. Regardless, it’s difficult for a person to come in and clean house without damaging a reputation within the community. Athletics is sort of an everyone-knows-everyone kind of gig.

[hiway44]

I blame both Mike Jinks and the whole athletic department for its failure. Jinks is a nice guy but terrible coach. Two years ago he blamed all the players for its failure to win. You have players parents complaining now and posting it online. What are we suppose to ignore that? I recall two years ago I met several players in Subway. We talked about the game and lack of fan support. They talked candid about the lack of help with school work due to the low budget of the program. Jinks put out 1000.00 or so of his own money to help his players with help with their education. Nice of him. I even heard that he gave up some of his own money to help feed the players. This is all bad business and the blame belongs to the whole Athletic Department. You have to remember that players talk to recruits and other players. With a need for a larger budget we should be looking at hiring a young coach and lower pay. Build up the budget and take care of the players.
NCAA football with the new rules in place will only make players transfer from the bottom teams.
If you want quality players then you have to offer something beside a free education nothing illegal. That is the only thing BGSU can offer. Not worth it because they will get the education free at any other school Look at the other MAC Schools. E. Michigan, Buffalo, Toledo, Akron.
They have an educational wing just for the players, other things that are offer at D-1 schools and other perks.

This is 2018 and just the free education at BGSU is not enough. (fan experience, player experience, work, community relationships) Starts with a strong BUDGET!

[MarkL]

It has been total radio silence from the athletic department regarding this article since it was released. I have seen no response refuting the report that Jinks is gone if he loses Saturday. Am I to interpret that as truth?

[jpfalcon09]

It has been total radio silence from the athletic department regarding this article since it was released. I have seen no response refuting the report that Jinks is gone if he loses Saturday. Am I to interpret that as truth?

They're not going to publicly acknowledge the article, and I greatly doubt a change is made after this week.

[mbenecke]

If there is a mid-season change, it will occur during the BYE week.

[daspollak]

Having worked in a major athletic departments, I can say it's a lot easier said that done to completely turn over a department. These aren't coaches with contracts. They are people that would need to be let go with just cause or risk wrongful termination claims.

Ohio is an "At Will" state. There is no just cause or wrongful termination claim unless you have a signed contract that is violated.

They are technically state employees, and may be a part of a CBA. Also there things put in place that make it difficult to fire an employee without cause.

[MarkL]

It has been total radio silence from the athletic department regarding this article since it was released. I have seen no response refuting the report that Jinks is gone if he loses Saturday. Am I to interpret that as truth?

They're not going to publicly acknowledge the article, and I greatly doubt a change is made after this week.

Not implying he would be immediately gone, but the decision would be made, per the article. A similar article came out in 2010 about Brewster at Minnesota. Per the article, if they lost at Purdue (2nd conference game), Brewster would be fired. The Minnesota AD came out publicly to call the article inaccurate.

Purdue won. The following week, Brewster was fired.

[falconfan1]

We need to get better on the football field. Winning games. We must turn things around on the field. We have to fix it. And all you have to do is look at 2013, 14 and 15 and know we can to do it right here.

I am sure we can do better as an Athletic Dept too.

But I am totally mystified by reading stuff on this site about Kingston hires, job performance there and Moose.

As several have indeed pointed out Moose loves BG, works his butt off, appreciate athletes as a "whole" person and has hired some incredible or at least potentially incredible coaches. Home runs include tennis and women's soccer- proven. Women's basketball and swimming and diving look very good though with no won loss record to speak of yet. Off field performance academically and community service wise among the 400 plus athletes has never been better.

I have yet to see Kit Hughes in anything but a very professional mode. I think he has added much to keep our dept stable. Another guy who really gets after it. And is passionate about BG. I read he hired some of the head coaching names mentioned above? No he did not- all the coach's names mentioned in posts above were hired by Chris Kingston. The AD on duty at the time owns every single coaching hire. He hired them all. Every one.

I just don't get letting football performance- which has been very very poor- push us down into this stuff. We need to win to draw football fans. We may need to do other things for sure. But we need to win.

I mean who among us is perfect at their job? I fall short regularly but keep trucking. We are miles from perfect, but I see this Athletics dept as working hard to get better every day under Moose. I might occasionally offer some constructive criticism. Same as my coworkers or bosses might do for me. We all need that. But as my friend Orange and Brown says nobody takes this football performance harder than coaches and our staff. No one. They know what's at stake. We don't know the budgets, options etc etc, but we know they know.

Go Falcons!

[Schadenfreude]

It has been total radio silence from the athletic department regarding this article since it was released. I have seen no response refuting the report that Jinks is gone if he loses Saturday. Am I to interpret that as truth?

I haven't seen Moosbrugger say much of anything about Jinks in a long time. Have you?

I don't take that as a good sign for Jinks.

It's possible they've been talking all along, and Jinks knows exactly where he stands.

[BGSU Athletics Nut]

I couldn't agree more with the article. I just don't see this team getting any better. They may have a Top 3 MAC recruiting class, but if you don't develop / the players, nothing matters. I find it funny that Jinks mentions Chuck Martin at Miami. Last time I checked, Chuck Martin was kind of on the hot seat himself. In fact the College Football News "Coaches on the Hot Seat: Win, or Else" article for this week has Jinks at #1 to get fired and Martin #3.

https://collegefootballnews.com/2018/09 ... r-week-5-2" target="_blank

Every week I look at the MAC scoreboard to see how the rest of the teams in the conference did. I also check the box score of FIU. I knew last year that #12 was in trouble. Any time a sibling or son of one of the coaches comes in (for example Brent Stockstill at Middle Tennessee where his dad in head coach), are going to play. It is funny how Butch Davis can get the most out of him.