All we need is 1?

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:25 pm

TG1996 wrote:
PGY Tiercel wrote:Yeah, but I thought that was because it was a tournament game. We got the point for getting the Tie, but in a tournament you have to have a winner to keep moving on. Therefore they played the overtime for the tournaments sake. I might be completely off on this, I can't even remember if they play overtime in the regular season.
They play OT in the regular season, but in college you don't get a point for it. At least not in the CCHA. That's a relatively new NHL rule, with the point for an OT loss. That tourney might have been different, or experimenting with the OT loss point, but regularly you only get points for a win or tie in OT.

See, I'm just a hockey ig-na-ra-moose.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:41 pm

I couldn't find a CCHA rule book or NCAA ruling on points or anything.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:48 pm

BGDrew wrote:I couldn't find a CCHA rule book or NCAA ruling on points or anything.

Just by looking at the current CCHA standings the AP sent down sometime last night, there is no mention of OT losses, therefore, it doesn't exist (again, at least in CCHA standings)

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:45 pm

I didn't like how they added a point for OTL's in the NHL a few years back. It's essentially the same thing to tie a game as it is to lose a game in OT. I know I am knitpicking a bit, but I don't agree with teams getting a point for a loss. Of course it doesn't really matter this year.

rc_ziggy84 · Post by **rc_ziggy84** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:06 am

There are no points awarded for overtime losses in the CCHA. No points are awarded for non-conference games.

pdt1081 · Post by **pdt1081** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:09 am

goofyeuph wrote:They do play over time in the regular season. If I recall correctly, it is one 5 min period, sudden death. If no one scores, the game ends in a tie. This obviously won't always work in a tournement, however I am unfimilar with the college tournement and overtime. Someone please educate me if I'm wrong and what happens in the college play off's.

Correct on the regular season. In the playoffs, there is a 15 minute intermission followed by a 20 minute sudden death overtime. Continues like this until someone scores.

I'm not sure of the exact year, but this is not how it always was. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but in the late 80's or early 90's playoff overtimes were changed to this. Before that they played 10 minute overtimes (hence the reason the 83-84 title game was 4OT's but only 97:11).

nickmg3319 · Post by **nickmg3319** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:37 am

You don't get points for games against Dartmouth, just like we wouldn't be any closer to winning the West for beating Oklahoma. You don't get any points for an overtime loss. It's really simple, you get 2 for any league win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss, and everybody plays 28 league games.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:04 am

nickmg3319 wrote:You don't get points for games against Dartmouth, just like we wouldn't be any closer to winning the West for beating Oklahoma. You don't get any points for an overtime loss. It's really simple, you get 2 for any league win, 1 for a tie, 0 for a loss, and everybody plays 28 league games.

Glad to see you read the entire thread before making your first post. Pretty sure that BGBill and rc_ziggy made this same point. But hey, thanks for driving home the point again.

McConvey · Post by **McConvey** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:21 pm

The college game doesn't work the same way as the NHL with the overtime loss points crap.

Believe me, if you lose a game in OT, you don't get points for it in any of the collegiate leagues. The team I work for had an overtime loss earlier in the year and its just a plain old loss in the record books. I get to stick an (OT) after the 3-2 score, but that's about all. The other team got 2 pts for the win.

In regular season games there is a 5:00 overtime period. If its tied after that, then its recorded as a tie. In the case of most of the holiday tournaments, they'll do a shootout after the 5:00 to determine who advances, but for the record books, the game goes down as a tie. (The example brought up earlier was BG's tie against Dartmouth. Although Dartmouth won the shootout, for the purposes of their season record, the game was a tie). In the case of the Beanpot, its overtime until there's a winner.

As for the NCAA Tournament, its 20:00 minute overtimes until there's a winner. And if it takes three overtimes, then so be it.
In the past the NCAA has done different formats, such as 10:00 overtimes and I believe they did two games total goals at one point (or maybe that was just conference tournaments), but right now it stands at 20:00 overtime periods.

Hope that clears things up a little bit...

rc_ziggy84 · Post by **rc_ziggy84** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:03 pm

Wasn't it total goals when we won the NCAA back in 84 or am I just imagining that?

bgbill · Post by **bgbill** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:09 pm

There used to be a 2-game, total goals format for the first round, which were held at the higher-seeded team's arena. It was really frustrating to have a bad first game, and have no real hope of coming back and beating the opponent worse than they had beaten you. Happened to BG at Harvard.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:20 pm

rc_ziggy84 wrote:Wasn't it total goals when we won the NCAA back in 84 or am I just imagining that?

Yes. Yes it was.

http://bgsusports.com/hockey/1984team.shtml

Falcon Fanatic · Post by **Falcon Fanatic** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:07 pm

TG1996 wrote:
rc_ziggy84 wrote:Wasn't it total goals when we won the NCAA back in 84 or am I just imagining that?
Yes. Yes it was.

http://bgsusports.com/hockey/1984team.shtml

I remember signs around town saying "We need 4!!" after that first game against Boston! That was also the reason the goalies had their hair in mohawks in the championship pictures (ie; "If we beat Boston, we will mohawk our hair!!") ....fantastic memories!!!!

GO FALCONS!!
SWEEEEEEEEP THE WEASELS!!!!!!!!!

nickmg3319 · Post by **nickmg3319** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 8:54 pm

On the CCHA website they have the tiebreaker process spelled out, but it is wrong when it says BG beat and tied Omaha. We won a game and lost one, I think both by 2 goals. So clearly they got that one wrong, so does anyone know who really has the tiebreaker??

bgbill · Post by **bgbill** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 9:41 pm

Looks like if we tie uno, the next tiebreaker is comparing goals for minus goals against for each team. uno is currently way ahead in that criterium. Since we would have to lose and tie Michigan to end up in a standings tie with uno, there's no way we can win a tiebreaker with uno. Only way to move ahead of duhmavs is to win one game, or tie both, against UM.
EDIT: upon further review, it appears the tiebreaker with uno is our respective records against the teams ahead of us.....more detail than I feel like doing
EDIT #2: if we're tied with uno, michigan takes first place....we would have a better record against michigan (took 1 point) than uno (swept by michigan), so we'd get 4th ahead of uno.

All we need is 1?

Can anyone explain exactly why we need just one point??