BG v Tiffin (11/6)

[Globetrotter]

Is this the Frack Challenge? I have no idea.

They played Butler and lost. It wasn't close.
Starters were
Waldon 6-7 Sr
Williams 6-2 So 13 points v Butler
Mabin 6-0 Sr
Schaub 6-2 Jr
Adams 6-5 Sr 14.4 ppg, 8.1rpg (17-18)

Bench guys with high minutes
Hickman* 6-1 Fr
Fasone 6-5 So
Miller 6-2 So 16 points v Butler

*I wanted Hickman as either a preferred walk on or scholarship guy

[mbenecke]

Let's get it.

[Globetrotter]

You know we have been talking about this team being bad. And I agree that it is mis-shapen and under performing and poorly strategized but if you told me that individually 9 of our 12 players ended up All-mac at some point in there careers I wouldn't be all that surprised. Turner-Lillard-Frye and Wiggins all have that ability now. Plowden is super raw but super athletic. If he puts it together on the court he could be awesome and he could be a stud just by being hyper athletic. I liked what I saw in Laster and if some injuries happened I could see him being a stud. Fields is a blank page. Mattos and Mattis both flashed ability. This team could be something.

I doubt it will.

[Flipper]

They're D1 athletes with multiple (in most cases) scholarship opportunities. They should show flashes of being good athletes and players. The issue is finding a coach who can take those athletes and mold them into something that looks like a team...a team with players that understand and accept their roles. The first Dan Dakich we had was the last coach that was capable of that. Jans appeared to be that guy as well, but I hesitate to say that after only one year.

Sadly...I'm pretty sure Huger isn't that guy either

[hammb]

To me the only way this team becomes "something" is if Turner & Frye take a step forward in their jump shooting. They're likely going to be #1 & #2 in guard minutes. We need them both to be reasonably efficient shooting beyond the arc.

We need Wiggins to be a consistent 15-12 guy. And I need that against everybody. I cannot have him backing down when somebody starts banging him. Any big with size/athleticism can put up 15-12 in the MAC half the time. I need him to do it nearly every game. He's probably the most talented 5 in the conference. Now play like it.

We need Mattis to come in and be a big time distance shooter without costing us too much on defense.

If those things happen this team could be much better than I expect them to. Mainly I'm focused on the 3pt arc. Our offensive "system" is bad enough as is. If we can't get Frye/Turner/Mattis to stretch that defense out to the arc we are completely screwed. Sadly, I don't think anybody else on the team has the potential to even possibly develop that outside threat. Frye & Turner were so inconsistent and overall ineffecient out there last year. We cannot live with worse outside shooting than we had last season, and losing Fox that is actually a real possibility.

[Globetrotter]

To me the only way this team becomes "something" is if Turner & Frye take a step forward in their jump shooting. They're likely going to be #1 & #2 in guard minutes. We need them both to be reasonably efficient shooting beyond the arc.

We need Wiggins to be a consistent 15-12 guy. And I need that against everybody. I cannot have him backing down when somebody starts banging him. Any big with size/athleticism can put up 15-12 in the MAC half the time. I need him to do it nearly every game. He's probably the most talented 5 in the conference. Now play like it.

We need Mattis to come in and be a big time distance shooter without costing us too much on defense.

If those things happen this team could be much better than I expect them to. Mainly I'm focused on the 3pt arc. Our offensive "system" is bad enough as is. If we can't get Frye/Turner/Mattis to stretch that defense out to the arc we are completely screwed. Sadly, I don't think anybody else on the team has the potential to even possibly develop that outside threat. Frye & Turner were so inconsistent and overall ineffecient out there last year. We cannot live with worse outside shooting than we had last season, and losing Fox that is actually a real possibility.

I may be remembering incorrectly but I think Mattos can shoot too.

[mbenecke]

Yes, Mattos has the ability to step out and shoot.

[Globetrotter]

I think that Mattis is a Fox level shooter. I get that feeling because of the below. Sierra stood up as the pass was going to Mattis. The rest of the team was out of their seats before the ball went in.

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[hammb]

Mattis can absolutely shoot the rock. His jumper is as smooth as can be.

My question is not at all about his jump shot itself as it is A) can he consistently find enough space to get it off, and B) can he be at least competent enough on defense that we don't get killed with him in the game.

As good of a shooter as Fox was you couldn't realistically play him a ton of minutes because he got destroyed on defense. And he didn't always find the necessary room coming off screens to get his shot off either.

Most of us will remember Dusan radawhateverhisnamewas as well. Kid could shoot the crap out of the ball in an empty gym. Release was slow as hell and could never actually get the shot off in games.

Matiss is the smoothest shooter on the team, and it's not even close. I'll need to see him in some games against legit competition (and preferably as he starts to trust the knee more) before I'm really comfortable with him. Early signs against Bluffton left me wanting...he didn't get many shots off and was putrid on defense. Hopefully that's just rust coming off the knee. If he could be a legit 40-45% 3 shooter who isn't awful on defense it could make a huge difference to my evaluation of this team.

[Globetrotter]

Mattis can absolutely shoot the rock. His jumper is as smooth as can be.

My question is not at all about his jump shot itself as it is A) can he consistently find enough space to get it off, and B) can he be at least competent enough on defense that we don't get killed with him in the game.

As good of a shooter as Fox was you couldn't realistically play him a ton of minutes because he got destroyed on defense. And he didn't always find the necessary room coming off screens to get his shot off either.

Most of us will remember Dusan radawhateverhisnamewas as well. Kid could shoot the crap out of the ball in an empty gym. Release was slow as hell and could never actually get the shot off in games.

Matiss is the smoothest shooter on the team, and it's not even close. I'll need to see him in some games against legit competition (and preferably as he starts to trust the knee more) before I'm really comfortable with him. Early signs against Bluffton left me wanting...he didn't get many shots off and was putrid on defense. Hopefully that's just rust coming off the knee. If he could be a legit 40-45% 3 shooter who isn't awful on defense it could make a huge difference to my evaluation of this team.

I hope that he will be either bigger than or more athletic than the other teams four.

[mbenecke]

There's a Mattos and a Matiss.

Each has the ability to shoot the ball, but Matiss looks like he could be a sniper from deep. He's that good.

[mbenecke]

I'm going to be heading to the Stroh shortly. Hoping we shoot a little better than we did last Thursday, and this is a game we should win fairly easily. I'm hoping the final margin is at least 15 points but I'm also expecting a slow start that turns into a dog fight, simply because that's been our MO recently.

Let's get after it and shut them down tonight, fellas!

[gmartin]

45-20 @ half

[gmartin]

Lillard should never shoot another 3pt shot the rest of the year. He was awful the last 2 years. Plowden needs to play a few more minutes.

[gmartin]

91-52

Better effort tonight but Wiggins going to get lit up in conference play. Let's see how he plays against St Johns. Lillard needs to stop shooting 3's. Laster played better tonight.