BG v St, Johns 11/9

[Globetrotter]

His stat line looks great. I’m convinced Mattos could have matched it.

[Globetrotter]

Uju is a capable player but not special. Both Matiss and Plowden have a special trait. If we are going to be a special team we need as many special players as possible. Let them play. Mattos needs to play too. I can't believe he didn't play. Injury?

This is from the press release postgame. " Despite being limited to just four shots from the field, senior forward Demajeo Wiggins was a handful down low. Wiggins added 12 points and 12 rebounds, making 10 of his 14 foul shots. Wiggins has posted a double-double in nine of his last 10 games dating back to the 2017-18 season. The senior has 24 double-doubles in his career." LOL.

[Class of 61]

I admittedly didn’t watch or listen to the game as I was enjoying the fresh air of a HS playoff game,
But as I just read through several pages of your comments I assumed we got clobbered as I didn’t know the score.
Take a look at your comments fro start to finish. “This team stinks “, “ Wiggins is terrible “ etc. led me to think the worst. Yet the final was a 4 pt loss to a Big East team, BG shot a high % from 3 pt land, which appeared to be a weakness last year as well as lacking in the first game this year.
My question for you guys is what exactly do you want?

[Bgsu2016]

I cannot believe this thread, BG did everything they could to almost win on the road against a Big East team and this is the garbage you all post? Should be embarrassed to call yourselves Falcons

[Globetrotter]

I cannot believe this thread, BG did everything they could to almost win on the road against a Big East team and this is the garbage you all post? Should be embarrassed to call yourselves Falcons

We are. That’s why the thread is like it is.

[hammb]

All about context. Look at the time of most of those posts. When I turned on the game BG was up by 10. Over the next 14 mins of basketball they lost by 20. They went like 8 mins without a FG. We had to have at least 10 turnovers, several of which were literally passes going through our guys' hands out of bounds.

You know what we want? To win. I don't care who you're playing. St. John's is in the big east but it's not like they're a national title contender. We shot > 40% from 3 to build that lead and what did we do when I was watching? Continually run the offense through Wiggins in the post who scored 1 freaking FG which was actually a putback.

And yeah we only lost by 4 but we were down 9 with under a minute to play. Suddenly st. John's looked like BG and let us back in it...missing free throws, stupid turnover, etc. Then once they did let us back in the game we got the ball down by 2 with 5 seconds left and our supposed all MAC big man literally threw a pass to the wrong team in the backcourt.

To be honest, if you watched the part of the game I did, you saw complete garbage basketball and would find it unbelievable that we ever held a lead. And it sure as hell never get like we had a chance to win.

[Roll Along!]

All about context. Look at the time of most of those posts. When I turned on the game BG was up by 10. Over the next 14 mins of basketball they lost by 20. They went like 8 mins without a FG. We had to have at least 10 turnovers, several of which were literally passes going through our guys' hands out of bounds.

You know what we want? To win. I don't care who you're playing. St. John's is in the big east but it's not like they're a national title contender. We shot > 40% from 3 to build that lead and what did we do when I was watching? Continually run the offense through Wiggins in the post who scored 1 freaking FG which was actually a putback.

And yeah we only lost by 4 but we were down 9 with under a minute to play. Suddenly st. John's looked like BG and let us back in it...missing free throws, stupid turnover, etc. Then once they did let us back in the game we got the ball down by 2 with 5 seconds left and our supposed all MAC big man literally threw a pass to the wrong team in the backcourt.

To be honest, if you watched the part of the game I did, you saw complete garbage basketball and would find it unbelievable that we ever held a lead. And it sure as hell never get like we had a chance to win.

So you admittedly watched only a portion of the game and discounted the larger context of the opponent. Interesting that you would bring up context.

[mbenecke]

Didn't get a chance to watch the game, but hanging with a Big East team on the road is progress, no matter how you slice it.

[hammb]

All about context. Look at the time of most of those posts. When I turned on the game BG was up by 10. Over the next 14 mins of basketball they lost by 20. They went like 8 mins without a FG. We had to have at least 10 turnovers, several of which were literally passes going through our guys' hands out of bounds.

You know what we want? To win. I don't care who you're playing. St. John's is in the big east but it's not like they're a national title contender. We shot > 40% from 3 to build that lead and what did we do when I was watching? Continually run the offense through Wiggins in the post who scored 1 freaking FG which was actually a putback.

And yeah we only lost by 4 but we were down 9 with under a minute to play. Suddenly st. John's looked like BG and let us back in it...missing free throws, stupid turnover, etc. Then once they did let us back in the game we got the ball down by 2 with 5 seconds left and our supposed all MAC big man literally threw a pass to the wrong team in the backcourt.

To be honest, if you watched the part of the game I did, you saw complete garbage basketball and would find it unbelievable that we ever held a lead. And it sure as hell never get like we had a chance to win.

So you admittedly watched only a portion of the game and discounted the larger context of the opponent. Interesting that you would bring up context.

Yup context. I made it clear in one of my first posts in this thread I didn't see the first 25 mins or so. This is a game thread. They're stream of consciousness, live in the moment, discussions. The same stuff we'd be saying if we were sitting in the stands. Had I seen thenoart of the game where Frye and Turner were lighting it up I'm sure the comments would have been lauding them. Although had I seen that part of the game it probably would have pissed me off even more to see the tactics we took down the stretch of that game.

Bottom line is if you watched the last 15 mins of that game you saw garbage crapass basketball. The same BS we've watched for the better part of 25 years. You don't get any cookies because you only lost by 4 to a big east team. We return 4 starters. This is huggers 4th year. We start 5 guys that have been in the program for 3+ years. If we can't start expecting wins and less stupid mistakes now when can we?

[Bgsu2016]

It's fine to expect wins, but I'm not going to lose it because we lost to a Big East team by 4 on the road

[gmartin]

Hammb is 100% correct. For those reading threads or reading the write ups you shouldn't comment unless you watched the game. If you think I'm too harsh on Wiggins well I don't give a crap. Crap crap. That's how he played. He made 1 basket in 32 min of playing time. One basket. He jogged up the court. Had 5 turnovers. 2 more but was credited to other players because they at least got a hand on the ball but clearly Wiggins was the recipient so he should have had 7 turnovers. He has had 3 inches or better in the 2 games plus exhibition and still gets pushed around. He have up 13 points alone in the first half to his player by being slow. I won't even get into the stupid pass he made with 6 seconds left to go in the game in the backcourt. BG built a lead by going with Frye and Turner scoring 36 points in the 1st half and first 3 minutes of second half. Then the offense changed nbg try to push the ball inside. 7 turnovers by going inside. Wiggins made 1 basket again in 32 minutes. Frye and Turner went 14:00 without scoring again and we lost that 11 point lead. For those of you that did not watch this game you would be commenting the exact same way. I watched the entire game. Hammb watched the last 15 minutes. Globe watched the game. You can blame some of this loss on the way Lillard and Wiggins performed especially being seniors. If I were the coach they would not even be starting. However most of the blame needs to be why we G switched up his offense in the last 15 minutes. Yes St Johns protected the perimeter of a little bit better but they were still Guys open on every possession and BG still tried to push the ball inside and guess what turnover turnover turnover. Players 25% blame. Coaching staff 75%. No moral victories when you are controlling the game and then all of sudden you change your game.

[Globetrotter]

Hammb is 100% correct. For those reading threads or reading the write ups you shouldn't comment unless you watched the game. If you think I'm too harsh on Wiggins well I don't give a crap. Crap crap. That's how he played. He made 1 basket in 32 min of playing time. One basket. He jogged up the court. Had 5 turnovers. 2 more but was credited to other players because they at least got a hand on the ball but clearly Wiggins was the recipient so he should have had 7 turnovers. He has had 3 inches or better in the 2 games plus exhibition and still gets pushed around. He have up 13 points alone in the first half to his player by being slow. I won't even get into the stupid pass he made with 6 seconds left to go in the game in the backcourt. BG built a lead by going with Frye and Turner scoring 36 points in the 1st half and first 3 minutes of second half. Then the offense changed nbg try to push the ball inside. 7 turnovers by going inside. Wiggins made 1 basket again in 32 minutes. Frye and Turner went 14:00 without scoring again and we lost that 11 point lead. For those of you that did not watch this game you would be commenting the exact same way. I watched the entire game. Hammb watched the last 15 minutes. Globe watched the game. You can blame some of this loss on the way Lillard and Wiggins performed especially being seniors. If I were the coach they would not even be starting. However most of the blame needs to be why we G switched up his offense in the last 15 minutes. Yes St Johns protected the perimeter of a little bit better but they were still Guys open on every possession and BG still tried to push the ball inside and guess what turnover turnover turnover. Players 25% blame. Coaching staff 75%. No moral victories when you are controlling the game and then all of sudden you change your game.

I honestly don't really care if we win or lose. But when we lose because of lack of effort/easily adjustable strategies/bad lineups that is frustrating. And the coach and Communications peeps seem clueless. In the post game Huge said that we went with a short bench because of their team. You still kept Wiggins in for most of the game, Mattos could have been just as ineffective in those minutes. If you want to develop a good team. You need to give players a chance to develop. Wiggins has proven what he is. He went to a NBA tryout to get a readout, I highly doubt they said "Play more passively, have low effort on defense, when someone bumps you just drop the ball." If you are a team scouting against us do you want the ball in Wiggins hands? or Frye or Turner? It seems like there is a reality that most people see and then a ideality that the coach sees. Like Wiggins is due something because of press clippings and numbers so they give it to him despite what is evident on the court.

[fredthefalcon]

I know there is disappointment in the fact that BG outplayed St. John's in most statistical areas except TOs, but this was a game that we would likely lose even on what may be our best shooting night of the year. The latest KenPom ratings which includes last night game has St. John's at #42 in the country. BG is #171 which is likely considerably higher than we were before the loss. Also, St. Johns started the preseason POTY in the Big East as well as a transfer from Auburn who was 2nd team SEC last year. Likely no player in the MAC that is not on Buffalo's roster would touch either of these guys in talent level. So, I'm sorry that I can't wallow in despair over this loss no matter what is thought about one player nor would I condone a benching in favor of an unheralded frosh from that hotbed of HS basketball known as New Hampshire who has played only 15 minutes of ball against D2 players.

[Siborg]

A little off topic....Buffalo beat #13 WVU last night in OT, 99-94. BG was the only loss yesterday for the MAC but we also had the second most difficult opponent. I DVR'd the Buffalo game so I'll watch it sometime today.

Friday, November 9
matchup result winner high loser high
Buffalo at #13 West Virginia BUFF 99, WVU 94 (OT) CJ Massinburg 43 Pts Lamont West 22 Pts
Drexel at Eastern Michigan EMU 66, DREX 62 Paul Jackson 20 Pts Trevor John 19 Pts
Bowling Green at St. John's SJU 84, BGSU 80 Mustapha Heron 26 Pts Justin Turner 24 Pts
Northern Kentucky at NIU NKU 88, NIU 85 (2OT) Drew McDonald 28 Pts Levi Bradley 25 Pts
Toledo at Oakland TOL 87, OAK 86 Jaelan Sanford 30 Pts Xavier Hill-Mais 30 Pts
Chicago State at CMU CMU 101, CHIC 60 Larry Austin Jr. 17 Pts Christian Jacob 19 Pts

[fredthefalcon]

A little off topic....Buffalo beat #13 WVU last night in OT, 99-94. BG was the only loss yesterday for the MAC but we also had the second most difficult opponent. I DVR'd it so I'll watch it sometime today.

Friday, November 9
matchup result winner high loser high
Buffalo at #13 West Virginia BUFF 99, WVU 94 (OT) CJ Massinburg 43 Pts Lamont West 22 Pts
Drexel at Eastern Michigan EMU 66, DREX 62 Paul Jackson 20 Pts Trevor John 19 Pts
Bowling Green at St. John's SJU 84, BGSU 80 Mustapha Heron 26 Pts Justin Turner 24 Pts
Northern Kentucky at NIU NKU 88, NIU 85 (2OT) Drew McDonald 28 Pts Levi Bradley 25 Pts
Toledo at Oakland TOL 87, OAK 86 Jaelan Sanford 30 Pts Xavier Hill-Mais 30 Pts
Chicago State at CMU CMU 101, CHIC 60 Larry Austin Jr. 17 Pts Christian Jacob 19 Pts

It looks like NIU also lost according to your scores listed.