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hiway44 wrote:Has BGSU lost any players recently due to the transfer rule? I can only think of one player that left. He went to Alabama and now plays on Sunday for the Chiefs. If we're not losing players due to transfers then we should be looking to build our team through the transfer portal. Win now will help with recruiting.
Here is a list of transfers from the last few years that come to mind:

DT Kyle Junior to Oklahoma State
DT Josh Crolen to TBA
LB Antwan Johnson to TBA
QB James Morgan to Florida International
LB Austin Valdez to Syracuse
WR Gehrig Dieter to Alabama
CB Cam Jefferies to Cincinnati
RB Terence Stephens to Robert Morris
WR Jared Wyatt to New Mexico State
WR Calvin Clater to Stephen F Austin
DL Jamari Rouse to Hampton
DL Tyree Jackson to ?
OL Andrew Lucke to Ohio Dominican
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BGSU33 wrote:
hiway44 wrote:Has BGSU lost any players recently due to the transfer rule? I can only think of one player that left. He went to Alabama and now plays on Sunday for the Chiefs. If we're not losing players due to transfers then we should be looking to build our team through the transfer portal. Win now will help with recruiting.
Here is a list of transfers from the last few years that come to mind:

DT Kyle Junior to Oklahoma State
DT Josh Crolen to TBA
LB Antwan Johnson to TBA
QB James Morgan to Florida International
CB Cam Jefferies to Cincinnati
LB Austin Valdez to Syracuse
WR Gehrig Dieter to Alabama
RB Terence Stephens to Robert Morris
WR Jared Wyatt to New Mexico State (via Juco)
WR Calvin Clater to Stephen F Austin
DL Jamari Rouse to Hampton
DL Tyree Jackson to ?
OL Andrew Lucke to Ohio Dominican
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Didn't know the list was that long. If we could have kept these players would we have been further ahead in the program? Did most of these players leave during barbers or Jinks tenure? Transfer rule is going to help and hurt non power 5 conferences?
Could be interesting since Ohio State is down to only 1 qb.
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I believe every one of these were 2016 and later. Some were graduate transfers which is both good and bad. Bad in that it makes BG out to be a minor league to larger programs. Good in that it means players are graduating.
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hiway44 wrote:Didn't know the list was that long. If we could have kept these players would we have been further ahead in the program? Did most of these players leave during barbers or Jinks tenure? Transfer rule is going to help and hurt non power 5 conferences?
Could be interesting since Ohio State is down to only 1 qb.
Well, guys like Dieter and Valdez hurt that season because they only had one year left and were key starters. IMO, the loss of Dieter was the biggest losses via transfer we've had since I've been following BG football (the past 25 years). Jefferies and Morgan were both starters and graduated and left with two years of eligibility remaining, but the Jefferies loss was bigger because Doege had already passed Morgan and became the starter, whereas Jefferies was going to start here last year and this season (and the DB unit is way thin on experience again this season). The DL losses this year are huge, because DT's Junior and Croslen were both starters and it was already a position of concern and need, and then DE Johnson was one of our highest rated recruit from last year's class, so the loss of that trio was a major blow to the DL. Then, couple that with DL Rouse and Jackson who both left after their freshman seasons a couple years ago, and the DL is nowhere near where it could/should be because of the defections. WR's Wyatt and Clater could certainly have provided help now because there are a lot of questions marks with the WR unit heading into 2019.

In general, nationally, the transfer rule has benefitted the Power 5 way, way, WAY more than they Group of 5. Power 5 teams are "losing" guys who weren't playing or were buried on the depth charts - which means they weren't really "losses" at all, whereas Group of 5 schools are losing veteran all-conference players and starters to Power 5 schools. BG has lost guys like Dieter, Valdez and Junior to Power 5 teams and they were all-conference starters here for us. We got a guy like Hardy from Notre Dame a few years ago and Dorris this year from Indiana, but both were depth chart guys at their previous schools who were bypassed by guys. Neither or these guys were starters and key losses for Notre Dame or Indiana. Hardy only started 2 games in his entire Notre Dame career and Dorris only started 1 game and had just 4 catches in his entire career at IU and that all happened last season. What's happened at BG with the transfers for and against essentially mirrors what's happening nation wide with it.

There's no question that all the coaching turnover - both good (Clawson and Babers) and bad (Jinks) at BG - has had an impact on some of these transfers. And let's not forget it it often means turnover for the coordinators and assistants as well. But another major issue BG is up against right now is with the recruiting classes over the past three seasons (2016 - 2018). The one thing Jinks could hang his hat on what he was a solid recruiter while here....HOWEVER.... - and this is an extremely important point - recruiting players and RETAINING those very same players are two very, very different things. When you look at the previous three recruiting classes prior to the one signed two months ago (2016, 2017 and 2018), many of the top guys that helped makes those classes one of the higher rated classes in the MAC are gone. Thus, they go from BG logging upper-tier classes in the MAC in those years fielding lower-tier ones. The defections and transfers from those 2016, 2017 and 2018 classes were crippling to BG, to the point where Loeffler right now is essentially dealing with what Clawson dealt with in his second season here at BG after all the defections in the recruiting classes from Gregg Brandon's final few years (Clawson actually inherited a solid group of seniors his first season before the bottom fell out, in large part to the holes in those final two Brandon recruiting classes). Then, you add to it that this year's 2019 recruiting class was rated at or near the very bottom of the MAC and was nowhere near our MAC peers' classes based on what they brought in, and it's another chunk of the foundations that's been washed away. Which brings us to where we are today, at the bottom, looking up at everyone else, and probably a few years away from that changing - IF- things take a turn for the better and start going well again.
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That is all good stuff guys. Thanks.
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Running Back Ra'veion Hargrove is transferring. He would have been a sophomore.

This likely opens up more opportunities for guys like rising sophomore Rico Frye and rising RS-junior Bryson Denley behind junior Andrew Clair.

If there was one position group where we had enough depth to be impacted by a transfer and still be in good shape, RB was it. Now we need to make sure we keep our top 3 guys healthy.

Good luck to Ra'veion.
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Hargove seemed like a talented player. I wish him the best.
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mbenecke wrote:Running Back Ra'veion Hargrove is transferring. He would have been a sophomore.

This likely opens up more opportunities for guys like rising sophomore Rico Frye and rising RS-junior Bryson Denley behind junior Andrew Clair.

If there was one position group where we had enough depth to be impacted by a transfer and still be in good shape, RB was it. Now we need to make sure we keep our top 3 guys healthy.

Good luck to Ra'veion.
Crap. This definitely doesn't make us better.
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JohnFloyd4Life wrote:
Crap. This definitely doesn't make us better.
Especially not seeing Clair and Fyre play in Spring game/practice.
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mbenecke wrote:Running Back Ra'veion Hargrove is transferring. He would have been a sophomore.

This likely opens up more opportunities for guys like rising sophomore Rico Frye and rising RS-junior Bryson Denley behind junior Andrew Clair.

If there was one position group where we had enough depth to be impacted by a transfer and still be in good shape, RB was it. Now we need to make sure we keep our top 3 guys healthy.

Good luck to Ra'veion.
This surprises me given that I know he was dying to play D-1 FBS football and not only got a scholarship, but significant playing time as a true freshman with a bigger workload sure to come his way this year. I can't imagine he did quite enough to move to a bigger program, but would be surprised if he went down a division unless it was to a JC to try and get a few bigger school offers.

Best of luck to him. I wish he would have stayed.
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JohnFloyd4Life wrote: Crap. This definitely doesn't make us better.
Yup.

There are those being far more gracious about this than I'd ever think to be. We recruit these players day in and day out for years, finally get them to campus, develop them, inculcate them to the team philosophy and then they bail. It's a despicable trend that people like Dieter started and it's only going to get worse across all of college football. Selfishness and self interest are now paramount over loyalty and team.

I don't wish them ill but I'm not going to be applauding as they walk out the door and weaken the BG football program.
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The team philosophy he was recruited under is no longer here... If you aren't happy, go somewhere else.
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Flipper wrote:The team philosophy he was recruited under is no longer here... If you aren't happy, go somewhere else.
No god dammit. That kid made a choice when he was 18 and he must stick it out until he's 22. Screw him for leaving our team and wanting to find a better situation for himself. I don't care that I know absolutely NOTHING about the reasons for his decision, and I don't care about those reasons. I don't even care that the entire coaching staff that recruited him to be here is now gone. He made a commitment, and dammit he owes it to all of us to do what is best for BG football. He can worry about his own life and future after we've used up his eligibility!
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hammb wrote:
Flipper wrote:The team philosophy he was recruited under is no longer here... If you aren't happy, go somewhere else.
No god dammit. That kid made a choice when he was 18 and he must stick it out until he's 22. Screw him for leaving our team and wanting to find a better situation for himself. I don't care that I know absolutely NOTHING about the reasons for his decision, and I don't care about those reasons. I don't even care that the entire coaching staff that recruited him to be here is now gone. He made a commitment, and dammit he owes it to all of us to do what is best for BG football. He can worry about his own life and future after we've used up his eligibility!
I'm not that guy, everyone has to do what's best for themselves. As a fan, it obviously sucks when talented guys you were excited about leave the team though.
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