2020 schedule changes to come?

[roguewarrior]

And by the way, aren’t all of the “at risk people” taking care of themselves, like my 83 year old mom, by staying away, wearing a mask, etc....? no one is running into nursing homes or kicking in the doors of quarantined people and breathing in their mouths. They should be safe by their own actions, right? The only ones truly at risk are non mask wearers to other non mask wearers.

My sources of info are what I see and know. My wife works in CLE Clinic. My neighbor is CEO of a multi billion dollar company that makes the robotics used in the labs, conducting the Covid tests. She was on the phone all yesterday afternoon with the White House..... so I stand by my beliefs, with boots on the ground, educated, first hand accounts.

[Falcon Commander]

Trust the Experts.


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[roguewarrior]

Trust the Experts.


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It doesn’t matter. People who are all-in in the shutdown and are crippled by fear all point to “science”, but ignore the fact that bad data and incompetent (or purposeful) mis use of it is not an anomaly, but the norm. A friends daughter signed up for a test, left before being tested, and got an email report the next day that she was Positive! And these are our experts? Unfortunately, we are being forced by the blind or the corrupt.

[BillyLP]

And all your graphs are meaningless because the data in them is all bad. It’s the flu, that gets bad on people who are ill and obese, and barely effects anyone that is not old , weak, Ill or obese. 99.98 + chance you will live.... can’t get much better prognosis, can you??

So let's just make it easy. Who in your family and friends are you willing to sacrifice because they are old, weak, ill or obese or that may in come in contact with a n asymptomatic you, your son, wife, or fellow college student?

I see the above all the time. "Choose someone to die." "Choose someone to die," etc. LIFE is 100% terminal. If you're not LIVING, what's the point? You can stay home, in your safe little bubble forever. Don't go anywhere, eat only soft, healthy foods, etc. You'll be perfectly fine right up till the day you kill yourself. There's risk in everyday life. We accept it in order to keep LIVING. A virus with a 99.9x% survival rate is part of that risk.

The current death rate is going down pretty significant, but is still north of 5%. The most conservative survival rate so far is about 96%, but it's likely in the 94.5% range. That's a tens of thousands of lives difference from 99.9x%. And if the numbers are just absolutely riddled with bullshit false positives like roguewarrior hears from his friend's brother's nephew's second cousin of his in-law, then the mortality rate would be even higher.

[Flipper]

Numbers like "survival rate" are tricky because they may/may not factor in asymptomatic carriers...an admittedly unknown or unknowable number.
I have concerns re the testing results as you hear of anecdotal instances where people who were never tested but contacted by a tracer, or who abandoned their schedule test due to long lines being contacted later via mail with a positive result. Or numerous tests being administered to one person in a hospital setting and all of them being counted as a separate case .

I accept the premise that the measures taken early on were mostly (never should have sent patients to nursing homes) correct because so much was unknown. Now as more date emerges...particularly with respect o children and school, that we are abandoning any kind of risk/reward analysis in our handling of this disease. I firmly believe that we HAVE to open schools this fall. I believe that the risks are minimal, can be controlled and kid can attend safely. They don't readily catch the disease and the most recent studies from Europe indicate they aren't very good at transmitting it...they may act as a kind of "brake" to the spread.

Beyond that...I am absolutely SICK of the climate today. I am tired fo the Red/Blue football game...where everything has to be set as an argument based on your political beliefs. Neither side is blameless..they both suck. I voted for Trump because I hoped he would be the first step in destroying our red/blue, Coke/Pepsi dichotomy to find the third way. I'm sick of the arguing from both sides, I'm sick of the name calling from both sides...I'm sick of the nastiness. Why must we completely turn our backs on pragmatism in favor of a dogmatic approach.

Having said all that...F**K UT !!

[BillyLP]

Having said all that...F**K UT !!

The one belief that can bring together people on all sides of the aisle!

[footballguy51]

Having said all that...F**K UT !!

I can get behind this! Can this be the new slogan for BGSU? No longer "BGSU. Stand out. Go far." Now it is "BGSU. F**K UT!!"

[2006Grad]

@rougewarrior, reading your posts made me ponder a moral type question, just wanted to get your take:
Let’s say you are walking down the street and you see a kid not paying attention and getting ready to step off a curb, where they will be hit by a car
Or
You know the breaks on your family car don’t work, and your kid asks to borrow it
Do you do anything? Or do you just say that is nature running it’s course, they will die anyways, why not today?
My guess, and hope, is that you would do something in those cases, meaning you were preventing a death that did NOT NEED to happen.
Now let’s say you run a college, High school or athletic department, could you open full bore - of course you could. Might someone die - possibly
Why not prevent a death that doesn’t need to happen for reasons in your control?
Not sure they are perfectly equatable, but the idea of being preventative keeps the conscience clear and the organization out of litigation
And also Tuck Foledo

[Critical Thinker]

Let’s say you are walking down the street and you see a kid not paying attention and getting ready to step off a curb, where they will be hit by a car
Or
You know the breaks on your family car don’t work, and your kid asks to borrow it
Do you do anything? Or do you just say that is nature running it’s course, they will die anyways, why not today?
My guess, and hope, is that you would do something in those cases, meaning you were preventing a death that did NOT NEED to happen.

You could apply that thinking to anything. Hundreds of people drown in bathtubs each year. Aren't those preventable deaths? In your words, those are deaths "that did NOT NEED to happen."

Besides that, those are pathetic analogies. The solution is obvious and there's no cost to do it. A better one is to suggest that the speed limit on every road be 25 mph. Some deaths will still happen, but it would be way, way less than the tens of thousands that currently occur. Am I an immoral person for suggesting that saving those lives isn't justification for inconveniencing everyone else with that solution?

[pdt1081]

@rougewarrior, reading your posts made me ponder a moral type question, just wanted to get your take:
Let’s say you are walking down the street and you see a kid not paying attention and getting ready to step off a curb, where they will be hit by a car
Or
You know the breaks on your family car don’t work, and your kid asks to borrow it
Do you do anything? Or do you just say that is nature running it’s course, they will die anyways, why not today?
My guess, and hope, is that you would do something in those cases, meaning you were preventing a death that did NOT NEED to happen.
Now let’s say you run a college, High school or athletic department, could you open full bore - of course you could. Might someone die - possibly
Why not prevent a death that doesn’t need to happen for reasons in your control?
Not sure they are perfectly equatable, but the idea of being preventative keeps the conscience clear and the organization out of litigation
And also Tuck Foledo

I work construction. When the companies I work for bid jobs over a certain number of man-hours, they factor in a death of a worker. How messed up is that? At the beginning of a job, the safety department can look at us and say " In order for us to make money, we planned for one of you to die." Guess what. Every one of us shows up to work everyday and does our job. Work in an environment like that and this virus don't really mean s**t.

[roguewarrior]

I get in my car every day knowing 100 people die per day in car crashes. I accept the risk. I get in planes, I scuba dive, I eat food cooked by strangers... my son risks his life on the practice field and game field at BG.... I am not afraid. I am not afraid of a virus. I know old grandmas with bigger stones than some of you. I don’t know what else to say? If you are ill, quarantine. If not, live.

[2006Grad]

Well I am not sure my analogies were pathetic, I acknowledged they were not perfect, it is interesting the bathtub got brought up. When your infant/toddler took a bath I assume you stayed close by? You know, to prevent them from drowning.
No one would argue that life is not full of inherit risks, but we watch our children, drive the speed limit, and I am guessing, even at PDT1081 construction site, they have safety standards to prevent deaths. It’s not to say that what we do will permanently prevent death, it is simply to offer the longest possible life to everyone, however long that might be.
Young people are incredibly unlikely to die, but putting 5000 kids from all over America in a dorm increases the chances of it. If you offer sports, kids will play, it is what they love to do, but inevitably they will be exposed/come down with it. Are you (athletic director/coach/President of the University) , willing to say the greater good was achieved even though someone died? Someone will have reduced lung capacity for the rest of their life? Someone will have a heart condition that will shorten their life?
I hope beyond belief that they figure out a way to have a season, according to my wife, I love BG football at an unhealthy level. But I think it’s naive to not understand the thought process that the people in charge have to go through. It’s not being a p*ssy and running scared, it’s about making decisions that will allow BGSU to exist and thrive for another 100 years, sadly that might mean losing a football season.

[hammb]

I get in my car every day knowing 100 people die per day in car crashes. I accept the risk. I get in planes, I scuba dive, I eat food cooked by strangers... my son risks his life on the practice field and game field at BG.... I am not afraid. I am not afraid of a virus. I know old grandmas with bigger stones than some of you. I don’t know what else to say? If you are ill, quarantine. If not, live.

At some point it is worth pointing out that the 100 people per day that die in a car accident accounts for about 38k deaths per year in the US.

Meanwhile this Virus that you're not afraid of has killed 140k people in less than 6 months.

These numbers are despite nearly every American getting into a motor vehicle at some point every single day. And also despite having much of the country under stay at home orders for a month or two and still attempting to practice as much social distancing and public mask usage as possible. Certainly there are those that have ignored the virus entirely, but overwhelmingly most Americans have tried to do SOMETHING to halt its spread. And yet still, here we are.

Bottom line? This thing is a far bigger deal than the risks we incur daily by driving.

In the end it doesn't matter what any of us think. There is a better chance that I get elected president in November than BGSU playing football games this fall. And I'll believe that right up until the point I'm proven wrong and they actually kick off.

[Falconwriter]

The flaw of talking about how kids are not as at-risk for this disease and schools should open -- totally ignores all of the teachers and staff also in the building. Many of them ARE at high or higher risk. So this isn't just about the kids. Now having said that, I want the schools to open as much as the next person, because there's a ton of benefits that come from it, not the least of which is the fact that kids learn far better in this setting than on-line. Why? Because you have to factor in all of the non academic stuff they learn, including socialization. And their mental health will be far better if they're around their friends as opposed to isolated at home. If there are ways to minimize the risk to teachers and staff, then I am hoping they'll at least try to open things up in school systems and on campuses. If it doesn't happen, I won't be shocked, but I'm hoping...

[roguewarrior]

Growing weary of the teacher risk cries . If kids are OK, then change the cry to “save the teachers”, and quit the tired “it’s all about the children” rhetoric. A kindergarten/ elementary teacher may have an added risk.... squatting face to face, wiping noses, etc, etc. A college Prof with a mask on, in front of a lectern is pretty distanced; and masks save lives! There should be no worries with masks. And with the millions of cases, many of the kids and Teachers, should be immune going in. And if you claim immunity is fleeting, then why bother with a vaccine?