I don't expect marschall to start next year

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:20 am

I think you all are missing my point and i am sorry if I didnt make it clear. Yes it is perfectly fine for any athlete to have a bad night. Yes this 7 point performance in the biggest game of the year could be attributed to that. But to make the jump from HS to college starter as a FRESHMAN is difficult. And I sincerely do not expect that a player who puts up seven points in the biggest game of his senior year will make that jump from HS Senior to Starting on BGs team as a Freshman. I never said he was a bad recruit or that he would not contribute as a Falcon. I simply said he would not start as a Freshman. How outlandish is that to say when we have not had a freshman start on a regular basis since Crawford did the year after Trent graduated. (And Vandermeer at the end of this year on a much lesser scale comparitively.)

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:29 am

True, Freshman rarely start anyways regardless of where they come from and how good they are. UK as 3 McDonalds all stars this year and your right not all of them start. However, I don't expect him to start, but play yes, Unless he gets hurt, I don't see a redshirt. And one seven point game won't be the reason he doesn't start. Reimold just had 9, in what we could say was the biggest game of the season, with the MAC west on the lilne. Maybe he shouldn't start today.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:36 am

Hmmmm...well Fitch, let's unpack the logic in your posts then we can tackle the factual inaccuracy (or inaccuracies).

The crux of your argument seems to be the notion that the number of points scored by a high school senior in his final HS game is a valid predictor of his chances of starting as a college freshmen or at the very least, as college freshman at BGSU. I'd be interested in seeing the research to back up this assertion, if any. To the casual observer, it would seen that there are any number of variables (you even addressed some of them in your post) that would account for a low number of points scored in a HS game other than the lack of sufficient talent to start at a different, albeit higher, level of play.

Even if it were true that this "snapshot" of a player's performance were an indication of a lack of sufficient talent at that point in time, there is ample opportunity for the player to improve over the summer months due to physical maturation, summer conditioning and a higher level of coaching once practice begins in the fall. In fact, I would argue that these opportunities for growth are so substantial that they would render your assumptions about the player's talent eight or nine months prior to his first collegiate game meaningless.

In short, your premise really doesn't stand up to critical analysis.

As for the inaccuracies in your latest post. Ron Lewis started 25 of 28 games as a true freshman the year after Crawford. One could argue that Steven Wright could count as a freshman starter last year. Though he had been in the program a full year, he didn't play his freshman season due to academics. Matt Lefeld also started a dozen games a freshman last year and I think Hobson had a few starts as well.

I'll leve you with a humorous note.

"There's going to be a new stamp issued commemorating prostitution. It will cost 37 cents or 15 bucks if you lick it"*

* Thanks to Allen Zwiebel

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:57 am

Thanks for the reply. I went down the current roster and tried to see who had started consistently as a true freshman. Lewis is not on the current roster so I bypassed him.

I am not saying that I dont want him to start, but shouldnt a HS 6-7 PF stand out in his final game against a player who has not been recruited to D1 for basketball? In my mind if you are making the leap from HS to division one player you should dominate on the HS level. If you are making the jump from HS player to college d1 starter you should be head and shoulders above everyone you play. The area player of the year award may suggest he was. But I think that Rosenberger outplaying him would suggest he is not. Maybe we should look to go after Rosenberger with that final schollie.

I think you severely downplay the level of play he is jumping to. Every player around him will have similar accolades. It is like all all-stars.

As far as the jump form the HS to College. If he cant come up in a big game in HS you expet him to in college? I would think that even the simplest of minded people on this board would look at a player scoring 7 points in a huge game and wonder if he will be ready next year.
Do you really think that a logical thinker can not think this guy won't be ready without having the statistical analysis to thoroughly evaluate those who make the jump.

Do we really have to have scientific data in order to make a point around here?

I will stand by what I said. Lefeld or Holland will be our starting PFs next year.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:02 pm

I'd say that players who are head and shoulders above the rest wouldn't go DI anymore. They go right to the pros. Good basketball players from high school going to college? Come on now, we know that doesn't happen!