roguewarrior wrote:How can we play football when the bodies are piling up and are lining our streets!!? The Virus is rampant here.... communist countries like North Korea and China actually care for their people, and the virus barely exists there. They did it right with genius insight and supreme technology, and caring hands. I think we need to wear masks and remain shut down for at least two more years, until every child is safe. It’s all about the kids.
What's your plan to fix the pandemic?
Sweden...Sweden is the answer.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
roguewarrior wrote:How can we play football when the bodies are piling up and are lining our streets!!? The Virus is rampant here.... communist countries like North Korea and China actually care for their people, and the virus barely exists there. They did it right with genius insight and supreme technology, and caring hands. I think we need to wear masks and remain shut down for at least two more years, until every child is safe. It’s all about the kids.
What's your plan to fix the pandemic?
Sweden...Sweden is the answer.
Anton Malmstrom will be here in December. 6'4", 207.
All is for the best in this best of all possible worlds.
roguewarrior wrote:How can we play football when the bodies are piling up and are lining our streets!!? The Virus is rampant here.... communist countries like North Korea and China actually care for their people, and the virus barely exists there. They did it right with genius insight and supreme technology, and caring hands. I think we need to wear masks and remain shut down for at least two more years, until every child is safe. It’s all about the kids.
What's your plan to fix the pandemic?
Sweden...Sweden is the answer.
Actually Germany is the answer. Sweden's death rate is 6.9% and Germany's is 4.2%. Or better yet traditional Asian mask wearing countries like Japan and S. Korea both at 2.1%.
Sweden didn't shut anything down and the virus has now virtually disappeared there. How many deaths did the overdoses, suicides,neglect of other medical issues, economic losses etc...cause here?
At this point...if you are between the ages of 20 and 40...you have a greater chance of dying playing football than you do fromCovid. Maybe we should ban football forever.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Sweden also has a generally far healthier population than the US, in large part due to a quality nationalized healthcare system.
Sweden, like many other countries around the world, also have a culture where people are willing to make personal sacrifices for the greater good.
Sweden did not "shut down". Their government did, however, ask people to social distance, limit large gatherings, work remotely, etc. While none of these were "mandated", the Swedish government has estimated that the average Swede has had only about 30% of the social interaction as they did prior to the start of the pandemic. You think the US could mimic that? s**t, even WITH shutdowns and mandates I doubt if the average American has gotten down to only 30% of their usual interaction. Hell, if not for government mandated work from home orders a large portion of our employers would have still been expecting us in the office every day; exactly as they have since those work from home orders ended.
And even with these cultural and health advantages over the US, the Swedes have been far from flawless in this thing. For starters they've got a death per capita higher than we do. They are also under similar travel bans from other countries. They are undoubtedly further along in the race towards herd immunity, I suppose, but by doing so have let far more people get sick/die than probably had to if they had worked to limit the spread.
Herd immunity and limit the spread seem to be mutually exclusive...perhaps we'd be "further along" if we had simply taken steps to limit exposure to the most vulnerable people (instead of forcing many of them to live with sick people) while letting the rest of the population get on with their lives.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
In many respects they are mutually exclusive. If the goal is to simply get to herd immunity, then sure the quickest way is to let it run rampant. Hell, host parties to get as many people exposed as quickly as possible. I suppose if you could ensure the most vulnerable portions of the population were completely isolated then maybe you could even approach that level of immunity while controlling the worst aspects of the virus.
Of course completely isolating ONLY the most vulnerable in society is unlikely, especially if you factor that like 40% of our population is obese making almost half of us "high risk." Even if you did so there are still a fair number (albeit statistically low) of relatively healthy people that have severe effects. There is little doubt in my mind that had we attempted the Swedish model we may be closer to not having to worry about it any longer. There is also little doubt in my mind that had we attempted that model we would have far more dead and incapacitated on our hands.
From what I've gathered...obesity isn't nearly the risk as hypertension (which often goes hand in hand with obesity) or...age...and lower T cells.
I was all for a limited shutdown for a brief period...not thrilled about it..but it was, given the uncertainty, worth it. As the we have learned more and become more capable of treating it (EARLY administration of HCQ) , we need to get the country back going again. Kids should be in school, sports should be played , bowling alleys need to open... 41% of the privately owned businesses in Maine are bankrupt...41%!
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote:From what I've gathered...obesity isn't nearly the risk as hypertension (which often goes hand in hand with obesity) or...age...and lower T cells.
I was all for a limited shutdown for a brief period...not thrilled about it..but it was, given the uncertainty, worth it. As the we have learned more and become more capable of treating it (EARLY administration of HCQ) , we need to get the country back going again. Kids should be in school, sports should be played , bowling alleys need to open... 41% of the privately owned businesses in Maine are bankrupt...41%!
The purpose of the original shutdown was to keep the medical facilities from being overwhelmed from the get-go. Except for NY C (which did not take things as seriously and was slower to respond) it worked. All the time gained from what was done helped to learn more about the virus and improve treatments. People diagnosed today are far less likely to die than those in the beginning because of vast improvements in treatment. That knowledge took time -- and time is what the shutdown bought us.
Flipper wrote:From what I've gathered...obesity isn't nearly the risk as hypertension (which often goes hand in hand with obesity) or...age...and lower T cells.
I was all for a limited shutdown for a brief period...not thrilled about it..but it was, given the uncertainty, worth it. As the we have learned more and become more capable of treating it (EARLY administration of HCQ) , we need to get the country back going again. Kids should be in school, sports should be played , bowling alleys need to open... 41% of the privately owned businesses in Maine are bankrupt...41%!
The purpose of the original shutdown was to keep the medical facilities from being overwhelmed from the get-go. Except for NY C (which did not take things as seriously and was slower to respond) it worked. All the time gained from what was done helped to learn more about the virus and improve treatments. People diagnosed today are far less likely to die than those in the beginning because of vast improvements in treatment. That knowledge took time -- and time is what the shutdown bought us.
I don't know why people ignore this fact.
No one is ignoring that...I even said I supported a shutdown early on in the post you quoted. But this isn't March...why people ignore that fact I'll never know...
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
This virus will take everything from us until we all pull together and decide once and for all that we're going to take this thing seriously and beat it by following what the experts recommend. Wear a mask, keep your distance, and beat this thing so we don't lose anything else.
Let's say we and Big Ten play football in the spring. The season needs to be over early in order to let bodies rest. Which means the sport needs to be played inside because the turf at college stadiums is not engineered for January games. Gillette Stadium has heated turf, but I don't know of college stadiums that do.
So here are two possibilities.
1. Pro venues. On Saturday, Michigan and Michigan State host games at Ford Field. On Sunday, BG, UT, and the three Michigans host. Games at noon, 4, and 8. Creative scheduling to ensure only three home games per day between the five.
NIU and BSU share Lucas Oil on Sunday (IU, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern share on Saturday). Not sure about the other five MACs. But the result is Big Ten on Saturday, MAC on Sunday, share pro venues, allow for fans and bands and the whole football environment. Limited seating.
2. Indoor practice fields. Not everyone has a full size one, we sure don't. So we would need to share with UT (gross), or find another one in the area. No fans, no band, because no space. Everybody plays on Saturday, TV audience only.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
