Moving to the MAC

[Flipper]

What's asinine is admitting that your viewpoint is anecdotal...and then then trying to apply that perspective globally anyway.

Cases are rising...deaths are falling. The virus is not what it was in March...it's the flu.

[hammb]

What's asinine is admitting that your viewpoint is anecdotal...and then then trying to apply that perspective globally anyway.

Cases are rising...deaths are falling. The virus is not what it was in March...it's the flu.

Except of course when my anecdotes fit right in line with what Drumstix is seeing on a much larger scale working in a health center.

And of course my anecdotes fall in line with what data shows.

This thing is far worse than the flu for a substantial portion of the population. Even if it proves to be no more deadly than the flu, your asinine takes discount anything that isn't a death. I doubt very seriously if your numbers will play out and have it end up with a death rate similar to the flu, but even if it does, you are completely discounting people that are incapacitated for months.

It's not the damned flu no matter how much you want to believe it is. Whether you deem the data worth taking mitigation efforts on a broad scale is a completely different conversation altogether, but I think we all know where we fall on that conversation, and it's not even worth embarking if you're sold on the totally false notion that it's the flu.

[roguewarrior]

Like I said...even the parent of the BGSU Football player prefers to talk Covid more than BGSU Football. Imagine being a student paying for it?

I’ll show you! Ha. I don’t want to give Toileto anything, but we have a few dudes out.... You’ll see on game night. We should overcome, but it doesn’t help.

[Flipper]

What's asinine is admitting that your viewpoint is anecdotal...and then then trying to apply that perspective globally anyway.

Cases are rising...deaths are falling. The virus is not what it was in March...it's the flu.

Except of course when my anecdotes fit right in line with what Drumstix is seeing on a much larger scale working in a health center.

And of course my anecdotes fall in line with what data shows.

This thing is far worse than the flu for a substantial portion of the population. Even if it proves to be no more deadly than the flu, your asinine takes discount anything that isn't a death. I doubt very seriously if your numbers will play out and have it end up with a death rate similar to the flu, but even if it does, you are completely discounting people that are incapacitated for months.

It's not the damned flu no matter how much you want to believe it is. Whether you deem the data worth taking mitigation efforts on a broad scale is a completely different conversation altogether, but I think we all know where we fall on that conversation, and it's not even worth embarking if you're sold on the totally false notion that it's the flu.

Except drumstix experience is not only anecdotal...but influenced by the tunnel vision one would naturally have working in a healthcare setting where all you see is sick people. When I worked for Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley...I thought everyone has 250K in their investment account because that's pretty much all I saw all day long.

You have your head in the sand...you've been told by people you deem to be "experts" that this is one thing while ignoring a large group of other "experts" who believe otherwise. That's your bias...that's fine...you're entitled to it. But you shouldn't pretend that your bias entitles you to some type of intellectual throne...

[roguewarrior]

And my wife works at Cle Clinic and gets daily bed reports..... nothing happening at all throughout their extensive system to match the current hysteria. Nearly every Doc laughs at the silliness. Her area is very precautionary, as they admin Chemo.

On to football.... players test positive often lately, only to be false positives on follow up tests. Almost ALL were false since they returned. Couple players had it. I think one was fairly ill for a while, over the summer.

Since we have transitioned from flattening the curve to “counting cases”, it’s gotten stupid. A positive test without any symptoms/illness is not a “case”....

[kdog27]

My wife and I have now both had it. Though symptoms vary widely I’d say it’s definitely not the flu. It’s just different. She had a worse case than me and even had to make an ER visit because she overdue did it first day back to work and had elevated heart rate and chest pains. The weirdest thing to me is losing smell and taste which still hasn’t fully returned.

[Globetrotter]

What's asinine is admitting that your viewpoint is anecdotal...and then then trying to apply that perspective globally anyway.

Cases are rising...deaths are falling. The virus is not what it was in March...it's the flu.

You still think this is the flu?

I really can't imagine this level of stupidity. It's the equivalent of saying it snowed today so climate change doesn't exist.

[Flipper]

Yes...it is now comparable to the flu in terms of its mortality rate...today...now..if you are too stupid to grasp that the nature of a virus can and will change over time...I cannot help you.

[jpfalcon09]

Yes...it is now comparable to the flu in terms of its mortality rate...today...now..if you are too stupid to grasp that the nature of a virus can and will change over time...I cannot help you.

Lol.

That's just simply not true. The case mortality rate (CFR) in 2018-19 from all influenza types (A, B, and C) was 0.1%. 34,157 deaths from 35 million cases. The infection mortality rate (IFR) is considerably lower as the IFR factors in those who have been infected and who are asymptomatic. They go undetected and thus an estimate can be made off known cases as to what the IFR of a population would be. As of today we're at roughly a CFR of 2.5% and IFR of 1% for COVID-19. Best case scenario is it's still ten times as lethal as the flu. So your Fox News talking point is misleading at best and factually erroneous at worst.

Glad you mentioned viral mutation too. Big reason why a vaccine isn't going to be the panacea for COVID-19. There's already evidence of the virus mutating within the United States from it's inception in late 2019/early 2020 to now. It's one reason why re-infection has occurred in some people. So this thing isn't magically going to disappear next year because of any vaccine approval.

[Flipper]

Don't watch Fox news...so I'm not sure why you would make that particular assumption...saw a worldwide IFR of .13 for Covid online last week on Berenson's twitter feed. Don't really feel like digging up the exact source because y'all would make some snotty comment to dismiss it any way

Look...I get it...people have a lot of emotional issues with this pandemic...I can understand a certain level of cognitive dissonance when confronted by an alternate view of the world. Just don't expect me to accept it as reality and we'll be fine

[threestooges]

Wow. Looks like I picked the wrong day to return to this web site after foolishly thinking that we might be done arguing about COVID or talking about how Kingston/Babers/Jinks/Pelini/Jans/the Tillers are responsible for all of the problems in NW Ohio and therefore the world. Since we're apparently NOT done with that ...

Saying "I'm gonna buy 100% into what an expert says ...no matter how wrong his takes prove to be...because someone else told me to" is so....dumb

Breaking my previous promise of not chiming in anymore re: COVID: A lot of experts, including at the medical research place I work, have been basically spot on since the beginning, and have predicted all of the spikes that have happened. So yeah, I have bought in to what they say.

I think most of the college programs have done a decent job with testing and keeping people safe, to my surprise, but I think the crowds (99% unmasked) in some of the stadiums have been a bit much, and there has been evidence of increased spread in areas with larger crowds. 5-10% capacity spaced out seems reasonable to me, though, even if it means 10,000 at Ohio Stadium. That place is so massive that 10,000 people (assuming they are in groups of 2-6) would have more than enough room to be spread out. Same with 2,000 at the Doyt.

Also, Ryquell Armstead has shown us that even professional athletes at peak condition are not fully immune, and I really worry about the long-term effect of heart inflammation that has been tracked in some preliminary studies of college athletes, particularly black athletes, but we won't fully know about that for maybe years. I'm one of the weird people who thinks everything should have been shut down with mask mandates put in place for 6 weeks in March so that we wouldn't even be in this position at this point, but what do I know? I'm just a dumbass who likes to listen to the experts.

+1 (PLUS. ONE.)

NOW... Exactly seven days from now, the team will be playing at the Glass Bowl. How does everyone think we're gonna do?

[Globetrotter]

Don't watch Fox news...so I'm not sure why you would make that particular assumption...saw a worldwide IFR of .13 for Covid online last week on Berenson's twitter feed. Don't really feel like digging up the exact source because y'all would make some snotty comment to dismiss it any way

Look...I get it...people have a lot of emotional issues with this pandemic...I can understand a certain level of cognitive dissonance when confronted by an alternate view of the world. Just don't expect me to accept it as reality and we'll be fine

A fellow poster on this board said he can't taste or smell. You argue cognitive dissonance. It's like your a heartless robot.