MarkL wrote:As far as I'm concerned the staff gets a mulligan for this year. The program hit rock bottom when Kingston hired Jinks and it has stayed there for five years now. With few exceptions like last year's win over UT, it is five years of 77-3 blowouts to Memphis, three or more possession losses to conference teams, leaderless classes, players kicking women in the face, players getting in fights over spring breaks, coaches getting in bar fights, and teams that are more freshman than anything.
But mulligans are one time deals. I'm not football dumb. I know bad football when I see it. I know missed blocks which I see consistently. I know missed assignments on defense. Next year there has to be improvement. Not bowl eligibility, not utter turnaround. But visible tangible improvement. Otherwise I may start losing faith in the staff's ability to coach.
The problem is that there are NO mulligans in “real” golf!
MarkL wrote:As far as I'm concerned the staff gets a mulligan for this year. The program hit rock bottom when Kingston hired Jinks and it has stayed there for five years now. With few exceptions like last year's win over UT, it is five years of 77-3 blowouts to Memphis, three or more possession losses to conference teams, leaderless classes, players kicking women in the face, players getting in fights over spring breaks, coaches getting in bar fights, and teams that are more freshman than anything.
But mulligans are one time deals. I'm not football dumb. I know bad football when I see it. I know missed blocks which I see consistently. I know missed assignments on defense. Next year there has to be improvement. Not bowl eligibility, not utter turnaround. But visible tangible improvement. Otherwise I may start losing faith in the staff's ability to coach.
The problem is that there are NO mulligans in “real” golf!
If you're going to take a mulligan year this is the year. 2020 just doesn't count. Buffalo is going to win the east and probably the conference without playing Ohio. Nobody got an FCS lunch or a P5 beatdown. Title with a star next to it. So if this year is a waste just to gain experience for a majority freshman team, I'd rather this year than any other year.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
We just got destroyed by a team that hadn't won a game in 2 years. And like every other game we played this year, this one wasn't even close whatsoever either. BG is without a doubt now the worst team in all of FBS and I 'm certain at least half of the FCS would kick our @ss as well. This is the worst football team in the history of BG football. Period.
MarkL wrote:As far as I'm concerned the staff gets a mulligan for this year.
He was allowed one last year, and got one. This year he had to show something - simply ANYTHING - but has failed to do so and in fact, everything has regressed and has gotten even worse.
MarkL wrote:As far as I'm concerned the staff gets a mulligan for this year.
He was allowed one last year, and got one. This year he had to show something - simply ANYTHING - but has failed to do so and in fact, everything has regressed and has gotten even worse.
Last year had something this year doesn't. Seniors. Experience that had actually won something. This year there are I think 9 total seniors and maybe not even that. Last year had players that had been part of Babers' staff and had rings. Like David Konawalski. This year is worse. Wish it didn't have to be so but it does.
Again there has to be improvement next year.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
I'm not surprised by this. When I looked at the schedule and knew all the issues we'd likely face being in the middle of this virus, I honestly wasn't sure there was a win to be found. Now we know for sure.
It would be nice to know just how pervasive that bad culture was that Loeffler inherited, because from what we're seeing now, it must have been throughout pretty much the entire roster when he was hired.
I'm willing to give him this year, with all the issues the program faced, excluding the Jinks Effect. But if we don't see dramatic improvement next season, then I'm going to be joining those who think maybe this wasn't such a good hire after all. It's one thing to go 0-fer with your schedule, it's quite another thing to do it and have your team continue to be undisciplined and sloppy at the end of the season.
Even if you lack the talent, every day of practice and game action is an opportunity to improve and compete...BGSU has shown zero signs of taking advantage of this. It isn’t a talent issue that is causing a bunch of blowouts...it’s poor teaching and executing.
Even Jinks could score a few points. Our offensive coordinator turned coach has the worst offense in D1. He created this quarterback room of nothing. The scary part is that is his specialty.
Beaker wrote:I'm seriously wondering if BG will be competitive in football again in my lifetime. We all knew we were facing a total rebuild at the beginning of last year, but I see nothing being built. There is no improvement, no progress that I can look to. We are getting absolutely smoked by a winless team that is not themselves, competitive in a bad league. To say the sky is falling would be optimistic...........it
already fell some time ago and we can't get out from under it. This program is going to be a mess for a long time to come, regardless of who does or doesn't support it.[/quote
Everyone needs a dose of reality. You have decimated recruiting classes from the Jinks years. There was no spring ball this year. A very modified fall camp.
Is it bad? Absolutely. There's no denying that. But thinking another coach is going to come in here and magically fix things is delusional. It's only going to compound issues.
Ditto. It is ok to be frustrated but trust the process. Doing things right!
Beaker wrote:I'm seriously wondering if BG will be competitive in football again in my lifetime. We all knew we were facing a total rebuild at the beginning of last year, but I see nothing being built. There is no improvement, no progress that I can look to. We are getting absolutely smoked by a winless team that is not themselves, competitive in a bad league. To say the sky is falling would be optimistic...........it
already fell some time ago and we can't get out from under it. This program is going to be a mess for a long time to come, regardless of who does or doesn't support it.[/quote
Everyone needs a dose of reality. You have decimated recruiting classes from the Jinks years. There was no spring ball this year. A very modified fall camp.
Is it bad? Absolutely. There's no denying that. But thinking another coach is going to come in here and magically fix things is delusional. It's only going to compound issues.
Ditto. It is ok to be frustrated but trust the process. Doing things right!
Sorry but I can’t trust something that is untrustworthy. That is a major problem. I hear excuses on why things are the way they are and talk of how things will get better, but what I see is things getting worse from something that was already very bad to begin with. We are getting destroyed by MAC schools, including one that hadn’t won a game in 2 years by 4 TD’s! We haven’t been in any game this year, not even close in one. I trust my eyes, and what I’m seeing is flat out garbage. What I don’t trust is watching a bad QB who our coach raved about. What I don’t trust is a proven bad DC that our coach hired and had faith in. What I don’t trust is trying to run this offense and see it getting nowhere. What I don’t trust is after two years we are worse now than we were then, which is very hard to believe. We’ve paid our coach $1 million so far and have $hit to show for it. We aren’t moving forward, we aren’t even standing still, we’re getting our throats stepped on and then kicked in the balls! I can’t trust this process and expect things to change when there’s been zero signs of any sort of positive progress. If others want to sit by and hold on to empty promises, go right ahead. I’ve seen enough to seriously doubt things will be any different in a few years. Yes, I understand we are young, and with that I don’t expect to actually win games right now. But I do expect to see signs of life and remotely be in them instead of turning into straight roadkill. So why should anyone put trust in this mess and expect it to get fixed or turned around in a couple years? Because right now, there’s more proof in the pudding that it won’t. If I had to trust in anything, it would be that.
If we want this program going the right direction we can't change coaches every time we are disappointed. I hope Coach L is the guy and he should be evaluated every year but I believe he needs no less than 4 years based upon the dumpster fire he inherited and the dysfunction of 2020 that included no spring practice, limited summer workouts and screwed up autumn. This season and the condition of our program was the perfect setting for disaster. Either ride it out or leave (you can always jump on board again when things are going good - most fans live this way), bitching won't make it better.
I proudly chose to be a Falcon and a Falcon I will remain until the end.
So let's recap. The give Jinks more time crowd, wants to give Loeffler more time, because Jinks completely buried the program because he had 3 years to destroy it. Bad football coaches are bad football coaches regardless.
“And for that second big MAC win of the week, a huge congrats to the great folks at Akron, who snapped a 21-game losing streak with a 31-3 win over Bowling Green in what was, without question, the worst matchup of teams this season. Since the start of 2018, the Zips and Falcons are a combined 5-44 against other FBS teams, with the losses coming by an average of 28 points, while ESPN's FPI pegged them as the second- and third-worst teams in the FBS this year. With that decisive loss, Bowling Green now needs to schedule UMass to determine who is officially at the bottom of the barrel. This really should be a bowl game played in the parking lot of a South Jersey shopping mall.”
guest44 wrote:They have no tradition, no history, and most of the success they have had is taking advantage of incompetent hires by BGSU and Miami, the schools who do have some tradition.
FYI on Akron (the school you state has "no history") per Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_Zips_football: In 1893, the college hired John Heisman to become the football and baseball coach. Heisman lead Buchtel to their first winning season with a 5–2 record in 1893, and then led them to their first undefeated season, albeit a single game season in which they defeated the Ohio State Buckeyes.[10] While at Buchtel, Heisman also helped invent the snap, which is still used in modern-day football.[10] The early years for Buchtel saw many coaching changes, as the program went through nine different coaches in the 22-year span. Buchtel College changed its name to the University of Akron in 1913.[11]
John Heisman served as their coach, they are the only MAC school to beat Ohio State and the birthplace of the snap to start offensive plays is pretty impressive history in my eyes.
They also had Michigan on the ropes a few years back under T Bowen.
Beaker wrote:I'm seriously wondering if BG will be competitive in football again in my lifetime. We all knew we were facing a total rebuild at the beginning of last year, but I see nothing being built. There is no improvement, no progress that I can look to. We are getting absolutely smoked by a winless team that is not themselves, competitive in a bad league. To say the sky is falling would be optimistic...........it already fell some time ago and we can't get out from under it. This program is going to be a mess for a long time to come, regardless of who does or doesn't support it.
