Transfers

[BGSU33]

Joe Ware in portal. Another starter.

Told he quit, not transferring. Done playing....

There goes both our starting tackles. This is becoming downright hilarious. In a year where we could return everyone because they all get an extra year, we can’t hold on to anyone. We’re up to at least 13 guys who are bolting, I’m guessing we break 20 easily before fall camp is over.

[jpfalcon09]

Joe Ware in portal. Another starter.

Told he quit, not transferring. Done playing....

There goes both our starting tackles. This is becoming downright hilarious. In a year where we could return everyone because they all get an extra year, we can’t hold on to anyone. We’re up to at least 13 guys who are bolting, I’m guessing we break 20 easily before fall camp is over.

Good thing this board wasn't around when all those players quit when Urban took over back in 2001.

[hammb]

Joe Ware in portal. Another starter.

Told he quit, not transferring. Done playing....

There goes both our starting tackles. This is becoming downright hilarious. In a year where we could return everyone because they all get an extra year, we can’t hold on to anyone. We’re up to at least 13 guys who are bolting, I’m guessing we break 20 easily before fall camp is over.

Good thing this board wasn't around when all those players quit when Urban took over back in 2001.

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

Also, I'm quite certain any of us following the program (even though we didn't frequent this board at the time) were a bit concerned to be losing so many people. It wasn't until Urb proved his coaching chops that we were ok with him running off so many guys.

We basically know this dude can't coach. If he cannot recruit, retain, and develop talent either the program is in a bad place, and it'll probably be there another 2-3 years. I can hope like hell I am wrong about Loeffler, but at this point it's just blind hope. HE's provided exactly zero evidence that he is any better than Mike Jinks. And, unlike Clawson or Babers, his track record before arriving in BG doesn't provide any evidence either. Near as I can tell the best thing on his resume is that he knows Tom Brady and a bunch of guys from the UM staff 20 years ago; a staff that was considered behind the times and slowly falling out of touch with "modern" trends before Carr retired 15 years ago.

[roguewarrior]

A red shirt senior engineering major quit the team to move on with his life. He may not even been projected to start? The speculation, blind assumptions and connecting the dots here can be comical sometimes.

[BillyLP]

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

This is not to pick nits, it's mainly because I don't feel like confirming on my own, but has Loeffler really lost many of his own recruits? Most, if not all, of the departures still seem to be Jinks recruits to me.

[hammb]

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

This is not to pick nits, it's mainly because I don't feel like confirming on my own, but has Loeffler really lost many of his own recruits? Most, if not all, of the departures still seem to be Jinks recruits to me.

Honestly not certain either. I just know that we're losing a lot of players. I also know that we don't have many truly GOOD MAC players to fret over. I also know we can find viable reasons for probably every single one of these losses. Either they weren't good enough anyhow, or they were homesick, or they had to leave because of injuries, etc, etc. I'd even be willing to entertain the notion that almost none of these issues could have been prevented by Loeffler, nor even blamed on him.

It's not about assigning blame, to me. It's about the fact that you simply can't build a program with mass defections. Doesn't matter what the reasoning for the defections is. It's not at all good to still be losing players 3 years later. Whether they're good players or not, it creates a situation where you're still spinning your wheels in the dirt. It's very tough to win with so many underclassmen playing key roles, and here we are in the 3rd year of a rebuild and still going to have a ton of underclassmen playing roles.

Whether you want to assign blame or not isn't the point. THe point is that it's shaping up to be yet another year where you just desperately hope we can manage to COMPETE in 2-3 games, let alone actually win them.

I think back to Dakich v2.0 Every year we would lose 1-2 guys to transfers. Many times they were freshmen who barely played, or they got homesick, or they couldn't cut it. The reasons were different every time, and in many cases you could probably say it wasn't Dan's fault. But at the end of the day he couldn't build the program back up, and that DOES eventually fall on him. I'm worried the same is what we're seeing here.

[guest44]

A Scot Loeffler to Urban Meyer comparison in any capacity.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MarkL]

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

This is not to pick nits, it's mainly because I don't feel like confirming on my own, but has Loeffler really lost many of his own recruits? Most, if not all, of the departures still seem to be Jinks recruits to me.

Pretty sure that is right. The bleeding is happening from the Jinks classes. If the young classes hold going forward we will have a full roster soon. But make no mistake the current roster is thin. It is hard to compete against deeper teams when you are a freshman / sophomore team.

[roguewarrior]

Tackle to tackle is almost all young guys, who all beefed up pretty well in the off season. They play with a little more toughness than lines of late, and are gaining an edge. Barring injury, Two years from now, we should be very stout up front, with depth behind. I don’t think we lost any 2021 starters on the line.

[Cork]

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

This is not to pick nits, it's mainly because I don't feel like confirming on my own, but has Loeffler really lost many of his own recruits? Most, if not all, of the departures still seem to be Jinks recruits to me.

Honestly not certain either. I just know that...

That sums up the era we live in well

[BGSU33]

Joe Ware in portal. Another starter.

Told he quit, not transferring. Done playing....

There goes both our starting tackles. This is becoming downright hilarious. In a year where we could return everyone because they all get an extra year, we can’t hold on to anyone. We’re up to at least 13 guys who are bolting, I’m guessing we break 20 easily before fall camp is over.

Good thing this board wasn't around when all those players quit when Urban took over back in 2001.

HUGE differences there. Meyer lost players from a bad team/program in decline, however, he won immediately, and kept winning. On the other hand, Loeffler is losing players off a bad team/program in decline, but, things are actually getting worse, not better. There's a MAJOR difference.

[Flipper]

I was at most every home game in 2000. Meyer took over a team that had a lot of talent but lacked discipline and attention to detail. Most importantly...Meyer took over from a coach who had been in place for a decade. The results weren't there, but the structure was in place.

Loeffler did not have that luxury.

[BGSU33]

BIIIG difference between a new coach running off the kids that don't want to work in his first training camp, and a coach losing his own recruits (and his predecessors') in his 3rd training camp.

This is not to pick nits, it's mainly because I don't feel like confirming on my own, but has Loeffler really lost many of his own recruits? Most, if not all, of the departures still seem to be Jinks recruits to me.

It's not about assigning blame, to me. It's about the fact that you simply can't build a program with mass defections. Doesn't matter what the reasoning for the defections is.

Excellent point! That's exactly my concern with all of these defections. It's not "why" they are happening, it's the fact that they "are" happening. You can't reload a program when you're constantly stuck trying to rebuilding one. And that is a major issue with BG right now.

[BGSU33]

I was at most every home game in 2000. Meyer took over a team that had a lot of talent but lacked discipline and attention to detail. Most importantly...Meyer took over from a coach who had been in place for a decade. The results weren't there, but the structure was in place.

Loeffler did not have that luxury.

I was also at those home games in 2000, and some of the road games as well. But make no mistake about it, BG was slowly declining after the 1994 "MAC Championship" loss to CMU (aka the Fat Punter game) until 2000. Blackney had a very good program in place in the early to mid-1990's. BG finished 9-2 in 1994 before having its heart ripped out by CMU in that game (years late Blackney publicly admitted that game broke our program's back), then endured 6 consecutive losing seasons (5-6, 4-7, 3-8, 5-6, 5-6, 2-9) before bottoming out in 2000. I wouldn't say the structure was better back in 2001 when Meyer took over at all, because the structure was in excellent shape when Jinks took over in 2016. In fact it was much, much better. What I will says is the structure took much longer to fall apart under Blackney as his slide lasted from 1995-2000, while Jinks had it all crumble away much faster in 2016-2018. And it has gotten worse under Loeffler. Meyer and Loeffler both took over messes, just different type of messes. One did well despite it, the other has not.

[BGSU33]

My biggest fear with Loeffler right now is, is he just as bad as Jinks and we don't know it yet? Did we ultimately hire a disaster in Jinks only to replace it with another one in Loeffler? It's still too early to tell, but things are pointed that way more so right now than not. And that is concerning to me.