Transfers

[roguewarrior]

My biggest fear with Loeffler right now is, is he just as bad as Jinks and we don't know it yet? Did we ultimately hire a disaster in Jinks only to replace it with another one in Loeffler? It's still too early to tell, but things are pointed that way more so right now than not. And that is concerning to me.

I am not sold yet on their X and O choices (changes have been made +); but, the roster development, accountability, practice and training, “standards and expectations” are all miles ahead of the Jinks era. I have mentioned a few times how soft and unorganized the few practices of the Jinks regime were, that I attended. Should Loeffler fail, whomever takes over will not have a mess.

[Flipper]

Loeffler has the worst two year record in memory...probably program history....BUT he took over the worst situation for BGSU football that I can recall. Clawson had a rough couple of years after his first year, but he had a year to gather and lay a foundation before the last of the Brandon guys filtered away. Clawson built a program...a really good, solid mid major program. Dino comes in and acts as a caretaker for two years. Unfortunately, his first recruiting class was built on trying to keep Clawson's guys and his second was built on his way out the door. You're not going to have much success building off of two years like that. Jinks was an unmitigated disaster. The team had some talent, but they lacked everything else. Jinks was a nuclear bomb on this program... complete and utter devastation. Loeffler is trying to build it back...but with two hinderances other coaches in the program's history didn't have, the transfer portal and a pandemic.. Not to even mention the explosion in FBS football programs since 2001. Urbie didn't have as much recruiting competition for D1 talent that Loeffler has.

The Michigan thing concerns me...I've seen Terry Malone offenses run that QB waggle toss it to the TE offense a million times and so has every DC in God's creation...but I think I'm willing to let this play out another year before I go into hysterics.

[BillyLP]

Isaiah Johnson-Mack has officially committed to D-II Saginaw Valley State University. He got his degree here and will be a grad student at SVSU. Their OC is Josh Miller from the Jinks days. Best of luck to IJM.

[Tswam]

Kholbe Coleman now in the portal.

[Tony4BG]

Kholbe Coleman now in the portal.

Another projected starter enters portal

[roguewarrior]

Kholbe Coleman now in the portal.

Another projected starter enters portal

There was a team parent meeting last night. Loeffler mentioned that this is the first semester since he has been here that there were NO academic issues: reading between the lines of his choice of words: Caught cheating or failing out. He also said he was never part of a team before that had so many academic issues, since the time he arrived. Every single week..... He further mentioned that they likely ran off the last player that they needed to this week from the team.....

[BillyLP]

Kholbe Coleman now in the portal.

Another projected starter enters portal

There was a team parent meeting last night. Loeffler mentioned that this is the first semester since he has been here that there were NO academic issues: reading between the lines of his choice of words: Caught cheating or failing out. He also said he was never part of a team before that had so many academic issues, since the time he arrived. Every single week..... He further mentioned that they likely ran off the last player that they needed to this week from the team.....

I hope he didn't word it like that. Regardless of what happened with a player, I wouldn't want him using language that indicates that he's running people off.

That said, with it being this late in the spring, I imagine that something came up where he was going to either be passed on the depth chart or be ineligible to play this fall. He's a grad transfer, so best of luck to him in pursuing another degree. He'll definitely get some opportunities to play somewhere.

[roguewarrior]

Kholbe Coleman now in the portal.

Another projected starter enters portal

There was a team parent meeting last night. Loeffler mentioned that this is the first semester since he has been here that there were NO academic issues: reading between the lines of his choice of words: Caught cheating or failing out. He also said he was never part of a team before that had so many academic issues, since the time he arrived. Every single week..... He further mentioned that they likely ran off the last player that they needed to this week from the team.....

I hope he didn't word it like that. Regardless of what happened with a player, I wouldn't want him using language that indicates that he's running people off.

That said, with it being this late in the spring, I imagine that something came up where he was going to either be passed on the depth chart or be ineligible to play this fall. He's a grad transfer, so best of luck to him in pursuing another degree. He'll definitely get some opportunities to play somewhere.

He used kinder, more gentle terms.

[fanatic13]

How many starters have transferred out this offseason? Not trying to criticize but lost count over time

[guest44]

They have been talking of running players out since they arrived in Bowling Green. Unprovoked. A coach who hadn't left a job on his terms for a decade, until BGSU wanted him. The staff he previously worked for was dumped 11 months later. No more excuses.

[roguewarrior]

Apparently it is impossible for some to believe that a player on a team could be a problem, a malcontent, a cancer, uninspired, undisciplined, horrible student, bad person, lazy, violent, a substance abuser..... or just doesn’t have or lost the desire to play football. Look how many MSU players transferred..... I’ll tell you why, they were shown the door. We certainly lost a couple that do not fit in the above, but not many.

Edit: and they have tossed several of their own recruits and walk ons; so, it is a few of their own mistakes too.

[Falconwriter]

Apparently it is impossible for some to believe that a player on a team could be a problem, a malcontent, a cancer, uninspired, undisciplined, horrible student, bad person, lazy, violent, a substance abuser..... or just doesn’t have or lost the desire to play football. Look how many MSU players transferred..... I’ll tell you why, they were shown the door. We certainly lost a couple that do not fit in the above, but not many.

Edit: and they have tossed several of their own recruits and walk ons; so, it is a few of their own mistakes too.

This makes me believe that the issues in the program were pretty widespread and apparently festering. At some point, the coaching staff will need to create stability and start having success. I'm not being critical of the current staff; just saying there is soon to come a time when they are being held accountable for everything that is happening on and off the field.

[guest44]

According to this coach, Bowling Green Football is better off without a player who earned 3rd Team All MAC in both 2019 & 2020. How long do you want to be fooled by this guy? He has won 3 football games as a coach. He has had 4 defensive coordinators in 17 games. He would have been fired at Boston College. His offense was the worst offense you've ever seen. Keep blaming Jinks and Babers.

[roguewarrior]

Apparently it is impossible for some to believe that a player on a team could be a problem, a malcontent, a cancer, uninspired, undisciplined, horrible student, bad person, lazy, violent, a substance abuser..... or just doesn’t have or lost the desire to play football. Look how many MSU players transferred..... I’ll tell you why, they were shown the door. We certainly lost a couple that do not fit in the above, but not many.

Edit: and they have tossed several of their own recruits and walk ons; so, it is a few of their own mistakes too.

This makes me believe that the issues in the program were pretty widespread and apparently festering. At some point, the coaching staff will need to create stability and start having success. I'm not being critical of the current staff; just saying there is soon to come a time when they are being held accountable for everything that is happening on and off the field.

Indeed. And the only cure is winning, or at least competitive. They are definitely on the clock this fall.

[BGSU33]

How many starters have transferred out this offseason? Not trying to criticize but lost count over time

Let's put it this way, in a year where EVERY team can return EVERY starter because EVERY player gets essentially a free year, as of today (and we know more defections are coming), BG is only returning 3 starters on offense and 7 on defense. That is putrid. That's only 10 starters returning from a possible 22 allowed, which is extremely low nationally. And a large number of those guys leaving are doing so via transferring (8 of the 12 starters lost have transferred). As of right now, BG has lost 4 starters on offense via transfer (Clair, Stage, Ortega-Jones and Ware), 4 starters on defense via transfer (Roberts, Coleman, Biggers and Walder), 4 offensive starters who decided not to return (Morris, Tanner-Blair, Downs and Motes), and several players who played that either transferred or decided not to return on both offense (Denley, Massey, etc) and defense (Johnson-Mack, Redding, Rahmaan, etc).

I saw a figure last week that showed a large number of schools that will be returning nearly every starter (a bunch of schools were listed at 20 or more), which obviously means almost everyone is going to return for them. There were a ton of schools in the 17-20 range as well. Returning starter records are being blown out of the water nationally. Then there is BG, who is way, way, way behind the national average. And unlike a lot of others schools that lost starters who transferred, many of those schools replaced those guys by bringing in transfers who started at other schools themselves in return. But BG is not, and can not. We are simply getting bombarded.