jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:33 pm
[quote=TommyG post_id=435939 time=<a href="tel:1617814826">1617814826</a> user_id=52309]
It’s been a tough 2021 for BG Hockey. I for one think it says something when these guys jump ship as opposed to staying and trying to win a title. Whether that says something about the coaches or the players themselves I’m not sure?
Regardless it isn’t a good sign. Program seems to be trending down again. It’s been an avg to slightly above avg program that has been overrated for the past 5 years. If they take a step back they could be completely irrelevant again rather quickly.
I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. No one has jumped ship. All the transfers out of the program would be gone in a normal year due to graduation. The program was due to take a heavy numbers hit this year no matter what happened.
Secondly, BG will have 7-8 guys from a massive recruiting class coming on campus next year. Keeping the guys leaving for another year means jettisoning this class as those guys are out of options in junior hockey. That would wreck this program even more.
Easy there boss.... I know a little than you think...there is some wiggle room with rosters/scholarships due to Covid. If you think Eigner was like “Hey guys you all got to go” you’re wrong. I’m sure there a couple guys they told they may not have a spot for, but there we’re definitely guys they were trying to keep. It isn’t beneficial to say publicly they were hoping to keep certain guys so they are acting like they are mutually parting ways.
I'm aware of who they would have liked to kept, I'm well connected to the program. Guys have a great opportunity to enhance their pro prospects and are taking advantage of it. No one should be faulting them. And the program isn't in some sort of disarray because most aren't staying. They'd be gone in a normal year anyways. That's been my point all along.
TommyG wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:16 pm
Easy there boss.... I know a little than you think...there is some wiggle room with rosters/scholarships due to Covid. If you think Eigner was like “Hey guys you all got to go” you’re wrong. I’m sure there a couple guys they told they may not have a spot for, but there we’re definitely guys they were trying to keep. It isn’t beneficial to say publicly they were hoping to keep certain guys so they are acting like they are mutually parting ways.
You could always open your wallet and sponsor a graduate scholarship for any senior who'd like to play their bonus year at BG.
Easy there boss.... I know a little than you think...there is some wiggle room with rosters/scholarships due to Covid. If you think Eigner was like “Hey guys you all got to go” you’re wrong. I’m sure there a couple guys they told they may not have a spot for, but there we’re definitely guys they were trying to keep. It isn’t beneficial to say publicly they were hoping to keep certain guys so they are acting like they are mutually parting ways.
You could always open your wallet and sponsor a graduate scholarship for any senior who'd like to play their bonus year at BG.
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No thanks...Once again the scholarships aren’t the issue with the better players...they are leaving because they want to leave. No worries I’m sure they’ll get back to the NCAA tournament sometime around 2050 (in a sport where 1/4 of the teams make the tournament every year).
jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:33 pm
[quote=TommyG post_id=435939 time=<a href="tel:1617814826">1617814826</a> user_id=52309]
It’s been a tough 2021 for BG Hockey. I for one think it says something when these guys jump ship as opposed to staying and trying to win a title. Whether that says something about the coaches or the players themselves I’m not sure?
Regardless it isn’t a good sign. Program seems to be trending down again. It’s been an avg to slightly above avg program that has been overrated for the past 5 years. If they take a step back they could be completely irrelevant again rather quickly.
I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. No one has jumped ship. All the transfers out of the program would be gone in a normal year due to graduation. The program was due to take a heavy numbers hit this year no matter what happened.
Secondly, BG will have 7-8 guys from a massive recruiting class coming on campus next year. Keeping the guys leaving for another year means jettisoning this class as those guys are out of options in junior hockey. That would wreck this program even more.
Easy there boss.... I know a little than you think...there is some wiggle room with rosters/scholarships due to Covid. If you think Eigner was like “Hey guys you all got to go” you’re wrong. I’m sure there a couple guys they told they may not have a spot for, but there we’re definitely guys they were trying to keep. It isn’t beneficial to say publicly they were hoping to keep certain guys so they are acting like they are mutually parting ways.
I'm aware of who they would have liked to kept, I'm well connected to the program. Guys have a great opportunity to enhance their pro prospects and are taking advantage of it. No one should be faulting them. And the program isn't in some sort of disarray because most aren't staying. They'd be gone in a normal year anyways. That's been my point all along.
In my mind there's a difference between "Thanks for everything Ty, appreciate that you want me to stick around next year, but I see an opportunity and I think I'm gonna take it -- no hard feelings." and "Boy, this place is fucked up and I'm outta here." Now I have zero inside info so all I know is what I read, but I've read nothing that leads me to think it's the latter.
BG isn't the only one getting hit hard. Same issues at UML, where the coach makes some great points about the current players lack of loyalty and need for instant gratification.
jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:38 pm
BG isn't the only one getting hit hard. Same issues at UML, where the coach makes some great points about the current players lack of loyalty and need for instant gratification.
Bemidji State’s Zach Driscoll is playing his 5th year at North Dakota.
It sucks that we’ve become a feeder league, but that’s pretty much exactly what has happened here. Brutal to really see we’re not on that level, nationally.
We’re used to being a mid-major in other sports, but hockey is supposed to be different. This is the sport that we can truly compete for a national title. It’s supposed to be that way - it was before, and it should be again.
We’ve got some ground to make up, folks. Maybe more than we realized.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:11 pm
It sucks that we’ve become a feeder league, but that’s pretty much exactly what has happened here. Brutal to really see we’re not on that level, nationally.
The big programs that are attracting the "top talent" struggle to get those kids to stick around more than a year or two. They are extremely young teams. Four to six years ago those teams wouldn't give these seniors a second look, let alone a roster spot. They don't want their talents. They want their age and experience. These teams with very few seniors need older guys to lead the younger ones. The seniors on the teams they are going to are barely older than the incoming freshman here. It seems like BG is in a "feeder" league because they recruit kids who typically play college for four years.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:12 pm
Coale Norris, forward from Ferris State, has committed to playing his final season of eligibility here at BG.
He was their leading scorer last season, and he's a grad transfer.
Good news. I think he's a valuable add. His younger brother is Dalton who is also committed to BG.
BTW, article about Connor Ford in the Grand Forks Herald on his commitment to UND.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:12 pm
Coale Norris, forward from Ferris State, has committed to playing his final season of eligibility here at BG.
He was their leading scorer last season, and he's a grad transfer.
Good news. I think he's a valuable add. His younger brother is Dalton who is also committed to BG.
BTW, article about Connor Ford in the Grand Forks Herald on his commitment to UND.
"It's a first-class organization. Obviously, the facilities are NHL-caliber, which is amazing, but I'm not someone that cares about the bells and whistles. I spent time at Shattuck and Bowling Green, two places that don't have the luxury that North Dakota has. What I was looking for was an opportunity from the hockey perspective. There's plenty of that with so many guys leaving and a top-notch coaching staff."
There ya go. Want to get to the next level, open the wallets and make it happen.
BG Hockey has more than enough resources to win a conference title every 3 or so years and compete for a national title every 10 years or so in the current landscape. They just don’t do it.
TalonsUpPuckDown wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:38 pm
Heisenberg shows Keighan Gerrie as no longer committed to us though he doesn't show as a commit anywhere else. Was he one of Maco's recruits?
There's nothing on this Twitter page indicating any commitments anywhere.
Maco told his recruits to honor their BG commitments. Not gonna stop anyone from flipping but it's dicey for a kid in junior hockey to renege on his next level prospects without knowing he'd get looks elsewhere.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:12 pm
Coale Norris, forward from Ferris State, has committed to playing his final season of eligibility here at BG.
He was their leading scorer last season, and he's a grad transfer.
Good news. I think he's a valuable add. His younger brother is Dalton who is also committed to BG.
BTW, article about Connor Ford in the Grand Forks Herald on his commitment to UND.
"It's a first-class organization. Obviously, the facilities are NHL-caliber, which is amazing, but I'm not someone that cares about the bells and whistles. I spent time at Shattuck and Bowling Green, two places that don't have the luxury that North Dakota has. What I was looking for was an opportunity from the hockey perspective. There's plenty of that with so many guys leaving and a top-notch coaching staff."
There ya go. Want to get to the next level, open the wallets and make it happen.
Throwing money at the program isn't going to make things instantly better. We're all aware of how the Frack money is being mismanaged with the basketball program, and The Stroh really hasn't had a discernible impact on men's basketball the way most people would like. UND also isn't FBS in football and they choose to dedicate resources to hockey. BG could and should be that way in the eyes of many.
Fact is, winning programs attract talent. UND wins. They have excellent coaches. They get kids to the NHL. Same can't be said for Bowling Green hockey on the same level. Until they're able to put in the work to get there, it's not gonna change.
