Concerns to Watch

[Flipper]

I will forever argue that Jarrett gets too much blame for that. he was a bigger guy and you were asking him to reach towards his feet as he was moving backwards. That's a tough play to make

[hammb]

Yeah, would've been a tough play to make.

Bigger issues were WAY too much dink & dunk. I know we were afraid of our OL holding up, but we needed to take more shots IMO. That Jarret play was one nice shot, but we had Magner, Hawkins, Sanders, and Sharon on that team. We didn't need to be taking shot plays to Craig Jarrett who only had like 10 catches for 100 yds on the entire season.

Also was baffling on our final possession when we needed to go a long way in a short time we decided that was the time to bring Patton in and chuck it deep to a CB.

Of course the biggest issues were Harris's picks and fumble we recovered that they gave the ball back to OSU. We outgained them on the day, but it's tough to win losing the turnover battle.

[Schadenfreude]

I fear that Loeffler is equally as out of date schematically (maybe worse),

I should add that I think you, Rogue, and others are asking good questions. I'm not saying you are wrong. But I haven't made my mind up, either.

Cutting or bleeding edge offenses sometimes work and sometimes don't. Mike Jinks' "Falcon Fast" was a disaster at Memphis. Moe Ankney's "Poe Ditch Rat" formation (a "pole cat" offense, basically) caught East Carolina by surprise in our 1989 opener, but turned into a debacle when Ankney tried it again the next week against Ball State.

Tried and true concepts sometimes still work. Georgia Tech, Ohio, and the service academies have gotten a lot of mileage out of ancient triple option concepts over the years.

So we'll see. These are good questions. If BGSU's offense is trying to to be as complex as a pro offense, that might not work. But I also know we are paying Coach Loeffler a lot of money to make these decisions.

[BGSU33]

I will forever argue that Jarrett gets too much blame for that. he was a bigger guy and you were asking him to reach towards his feet as he was moving backwards. That's a tough play to make

I go back and forth on that play every time I think of it. And I've literally gone back and watched it a number of times. The best I can sum it up is, it's a play that "should" have been made, certainly "could" have been made, but in fairness, it wasn't by any stretch a drop in the bread basket pass either. When you watch it live, it looks like it could have been a somewhat tough play to make. But when you see the replay, you realize how it really should have been caught.

Below is the link for the game and the play is at the 1:27:57 mark and they show a couple replays of it too. I often see comments about how Jarrett shouldn't have been the target on that play. The problem is, he WAS the target on that play. The play was designed for him to be right where he was. I spoke with one of the other two players involved on that play years ago shortly after it happened, and he confirmed it was designed to go to Jarrett and how they practiced that play over and over. You see Magner come in motion to the bottom of the screen and when Harris takes the snap, he laterals back to Magner, who waits for Jarrett to come clean on the play. If you watch Jarrett on the play, he hedges off the right side of the line and then releases and runs a post route, where Magner hits him with a catchable ball. When you see the replay, you can see how Jarrett was actually already turned while running waiting for the pass as it arrived. When you see the play live, you can't see this as easy. I will admit Magner's pass could have had a little more zip on it, but it was a designed trick play of sorts and to pull this off on a great team, you sometimes need unusual suspects to run it. If the play was Harris throwing to Sharon, it's very likely a TD. But for that play design, it went through Magner to Jarrett, and the result was what it was. The very next play we got picked off when a pass when off our receiver and into the air, so in a game we lost by 7, this play will forever be magnified. One thing we can probably all agree on is, this was the once in a lifetime shot all off us had to see BG do the unthinkable vs Ohio State in football. It's also a tough pill to swallow, but damn was that a good team.

https://youtu.be/-H-i8zqZJg0

[Beaker]

The solution is that they just need to replay the game so we have our shot at redemption. Jarret can be the modern day Jack Dundee. If you don't get that reference, find the movie "The Best Of Times". My favorite football movie ever. I watch it every year just before the opening weekend. Came out in the mid 80's starring Kurt Russell and Robin Williams. Not a lot of people know about it, especially younger folks. I think it's timeless and well worth watching if you haven't seen it.

Every year when I watch it, I think of the BG/O$U game in 2003 and also of my senior year of high school when we lost to the perennial league champion powerhouse team who had beaten us like a drum every year from 7th grade on. That night was our once in a lifetime chance to beat them and we were on their 6 yard line with 20 seconds left and our kicker missed the winning field goal.

Damn.......now my blood is boiling.

[Flipper]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Miami rainstorm game. The kicker...Sean Ellis...his dad was a trip...had a lot of opinions and didn't mind sharing them. The way Sean tip toed out there onto the field...you knew he was going to miss that kick.

That game was the final impetus to bring us into the 21st century with the artificial field

[jpfalcon09]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Miami rainstorm game. The kicker...Sean Ellis...his dad was a trip...had a lot of opinions and didn't mind sharing them. The way Sean tip toed out there onto the field...you knew he was going to miss that kick.

That game was the final impetus to bring us into the 21st century with the artificial field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UOZwFhxYkY&t=13s

Stayed for the whole game. My jacket got ruined from all the rain. What a fun experience, despite the results.

[Beaker]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Miami rainstorm game. The kicker...Sean Ellis...his dad was a trip...had a lot of opinions and didn't mind sharing them. The way Sean tip toed out there onto the field...you knew he was going to miss that kick.

That game was the final impetus to bring us into the 21st century with the artificial field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UOZwFhxYkY&t=13s

Stayed for the whole game. My jacket got ruined from all the rain. What a fun experience, despite the results.

My reference to the missed kick was from my high school game, but yes, the Miami mud bowl is another similar situation. I too sat thru that entire miserable night. It was even on my birthday. I must say, the experience was not all that fun, in my opinion. Now, if that kick had been good, then every minute of that soaking wet, bone chilling night would have been well worth it.

[MarkL]

I'm assuming you're talking about the Miami rainstorm game. The kicker...Sean Ellis...his dad was a trip...had a lot of opinions and didn't mind sharing them. The way Sean tip toed out there onto the field...you knew he was going to miss that kick.

That game was the final impetus to bring us into the 21st century with the artificial field

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UOZwFhxYkY&t=13s

Stayed for the whole game. My jacket got ruined from all the rain. What a fun experience, despite the results.

My reference to the missed kick was from my high school game, but yes, the Miami mud bowl is another similar situation. I too sat thru that entire miserable night. It was even on my birthday. I must say, the experience was not all that fun, in my opinion. Now, if that kick had been good, then every minute of that soaking wet, bone chilling night would have been well worth it.

Yeah, that game was unforgettable and not for good reasons. The thing that bugs me isn't the missed kick. It was the offensive playcalling in the second half. BG was getting all kinds of success on the ground, and then for some reason went pass heavy in that awful weather. It made no sense. That game should have been won and over by the end of the third. And I have no doubt that had we won that game and entered the glass bowl at 5-6, you would have seen a far better effort and maybe even a win to finish 6-6. Still no bowl game but at least a successful season.

[kdog27]

I will forever argue that Jarrett gets too much blame for that. he was a bigger guy and you were asking him to reach towards his feet as he was moving backwards. That's a tough play to make

Agreed.

[Class of 61]

You guys got me watching that whole game again. First thing I noticed was how many OHIO guys started for us. Almost entirely offensive line… 2 tackles from Mentor, center from Benedictine, and 2 guys I can’t recall for sure. The WRs had several Ohio kids too, along w RBs and of course Josh Harris. Defense was very young, something I’d forgotten. Maybe this yrs team should see this video.

[kdog27]

I watched it a couple years ago after never watching any of it again after leaving the shoe. We played pretty darn bad and we’re still in it up until the end. Harris had one of his worst games if you ask me. Had he been on point, the game was there to be had.

[MarkL]

Not that it alleviates concerns, but Akron's win over us might be vacated.

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/sports/ ... ukhr5vXgwk

Some impermissible benefits went on there via loans from an administrator to players. 2020 was one of the seasons impacted.

The sanctions include:
A vacation of all records in which student-athletes competed while ineligible. The university must provide a written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media coordination and statistics staff within 14 days of the public release of the decision. Whether this includes the 2015 Famous Idaho Potato Bowl title remains to be seen.

A story to keep an eye on.