hammb wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:30 am
Nobody in their right mind hired Loeffler for his expertise with QBs and offense. That may have been his background but his background was also bad at all of those things. You hired Loeffler because you thought he could be a leader, you thought his experience in the region would work in recruiting, and you were banking on his longevity as a coach and connections would be the opposite of Jinks.
Those things may all prove to be true, but yesterday really showed exactly what I have feared since day 1 with this hire. No matter how well he does in recruiting, etc, this coach doesn't know how to coach on game days. You finally got involved in a good tight game and he pissed down his leg and threw away the work the kids put in.
All that said, I also agree with Flipper. I'm not at all a McDonald fan, but entering your 3rd season with this OL is inexcusable. It's by far the biggest weakness on offense. And in an era where you can basically go into the transfer portal and find guys to come compete. This isn't the NFL. There is no salary cap. There is no benefit to forcing yourself to only play "homegrown" talent. You owe it to your seniors and your fans to maximize wins every season. Here we are in his 3rd season and he can still cry woe is me because we have to start a true freshman (walkon at that) at center.
Yeah, Scot preaches about complimentary football, but the decision making in the second half really put the team behind the 8-ball. Defense was getting worn down and you could start seeing the line wasn't getting the penetration on the run game as they were in the first half. The trick play was nonsense. Even if it works, it's nonsense. You're winning the game and have the ball in opponent territory with a good chance to make it a two score game.
After yesterday, put me in the skepticism camp about his ability to coach well enough in-game to pull out close games.
hammb wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:30 am
Nobody in their right mind hired Loeffler for his expertise with QBs and offense. That may have been his background but his background was also bad at all of those things. You hired Loeffler because you thought he could be a leader, you thought his experience in the region would work in recruiting, and you were banking on his longevity as a coach and connections would be the opposite of Jinks.
Those things may all prove to be true, but yesterday really showed exactly what I have feared since day 1 with this hire. No matter how well he does in recruiting, etc, this coach doesn't know how to coach on game days. You finally got involved in a good tight game and he pissed down his leg and threw away the work the kids put in.
All that said, I also agree with Flipper. I'm not at all a McDonald fan, but entering your 3rd season with this OL is inexcusable. It's by far the biggest weakness on offense. And in an era where you can basically go into the transfer portal and find guys to come compete. This isn't the NFL. There is no salary cap. There is no benefit to forcing yourself to only play "homegrown" talent. You owe it to your seniors and your fans to maximize wins every season. Here we are in his 3rd season and he can still cry woe is me because we have to start a true freshman (walkon at that) at center.
Yeah, Scot preaches about complimentary football, but the decision making in the second half really put the team behind the 8-ball. Defense was getting worn down and you could start seeing the line wasn't getting the penetration on the run game as they were in the first half. The trick play was nonsense. Even if it works, it's nonsense. You're winning the game and have the ball in opponent territory with a good chance to make it a two score game.
After yesterday, put me in the skepticism camp about his ability to coach well enough in-game to pull out close games.
The timing and the field position just made zero sense. You had just hit on one of the best pass plays in 2 seasons. You were basically in fg range already. Trick plays are for midfield when you need a spark, not in scoring range and have the actual offense showing some life. It's just stupid.
The team looks to have shown some growth, which is great. But if your coaches are going to make boneheaded decisions in key situations you'll never get over that hump.
Candle's handling of the final 2 mins yesterday was also brutal. UT fans should be absolutely livid as he made stupid choice after stupid choice.
The margin is too thin. You simply must make the correct game mgmt decisions or you cannot wear the headset.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:02 pm
Jude Adjei-Barimah, a Falcon who spent the early 2010s on campus before going on to play in the NFL, tweeted today that he thinks this team is well coached and plays hard, they just don’t know how to win yet. Compared it to our 2011 team that lost 3 very close games and went 5-7. I just find it interesting. It seems like we’re pretty clearly improving, and alumni players are buying in on what they’re seeing.
I think this is right. The Falcons played their hearts out. They showed more heart than I've seen in years. Other than the offensive line, we might be ahead of schedule.
Murray State is going to be tough next week, judging by the way they played Cincinnati, but I do think we'll get a couple of wins this year.
LOL you really think Bowling Green is going to win or even play meaningful football games while McDonald plays here? No. So maybe don't run off the offensive lineman you spent last year developing. McDonald is a below average quarterback who clearly is the best option & instead of developing someone "for the moon" two years from now, Loeffler is just making more excuses.
guest44 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:57 am
Yes, the QB is a big issue. Loeffler proclaims in year 5 is when Bowling Green “goes to the moon”. The quarterback is a below average MAC qb, who wasn’t even threatened in camp. BG has an offensive coach who specializes in quarterbacks and they don’t have a good offense or a quarterback being developed. What’s happening is the opposite of what Loeffler is saying. It’s been that way since the beginning.
LOL. The poor QB play you claim is a direct result of the offensive line not being able to sustain blocks. The only success the team has had on offense through two games is when McDonald is rolled out of the pocket. What does that tell you? He had over 300 yards passing and zero interceptions yesterday, he's not the issue.
Put me in the "I'm encouraged" camp. I thought we would lose by 3 touchdowns yesterday. The trick play indeed was a momentum killer, but I have no problem with trying to go for the jugular there. Our defense is light years ahead of where I thought it would be. This team hasn't been in close games for 2-3 years now. Sucks to lose the way we did, but the experience of that game will help us down the road. I'm much more impressed with this team than I ever thought I'd be this year.
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team. I don’t know why some are so encouraged by not losing to this team by 3 tds. We have a better team than them and should have won.
kdog27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:09 pm
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team. I don’t know why some are so encouraged by not losing to this team by 3 tds. We have a better team than them and should have won.
They had a first round draft pick at WR and a P5 transfer at QB. We were 15 point underdogs. We haven't been this close in a loss since mid-2018.
Context matters. I see a team that is fighting and improving now - we haven't seen that in years. It's not about wins and losses right now, as much as we want it to be.
kdog27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:09 pm
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team. I don’t know why some are so encouraged by not losing to this team by 3 tds. We have a better team than them and should have won.
We’re only in year 6 of rebuilding and the first 3 years we’re built wrong. So in reality we are in year 3 of a double rebuild. When we fire Loeffler after 2022, we’ll start a triple rebuild. That will take some time and the fan base will have to be patient. Hopefully by 2027 we’ll be rebuilt and won’t need to start rebuilding again until 2028. That gives us a 2 year window to be good and bring the glory back to BGSU FB. Totally worth it.
kdog27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:09 pm
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team.
South Alabama did beat Southern Mississippi last week. True, Southern Miss is not what it used to be, but that's a proud program with a tradition of giant-killing, much like us. That was a decent win for the Jags.
Plus, we started this game a 14 point underdog.
I don't think the Jaguars were a great team. They made a lot of mistakes. Their quarterback probably isn't as good as Matt McDonald, for example. But the Jags may have offered tougher competition than some of the MAC East will. (Duquesne? Really?)
TommyG wrote:When we fire Loeffler after 2022,
Not going to happen. Loeffer has this team on the move. Once this offensive line is in shape, look out.
guest44 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:05 am
LOL you really think Bowling Green is going to win or even play meaningful football games while McDonald plays here? No. So maybe don't run off the offensive lineman you spent last year developing. McDonald is a below average quarterback who clearly is the best option & instead of developing someone "for the moon" two years from now, Loeffler is just making more excuses.
guest44 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:57 am
Yes, the QB is a big issue. Loeffler proclaims in year 5 is when Bowling Green “goes to the moon”. The quarterback is a below average MAC qb, who wasn’t even threatened in camp. BG has an offensive coach who specializes in quarterbacks and they don’t have a good offense or a quarterback being developed. What’s happening is the opposite of what Loeffler is saying. It’s been that way since the beginning.
LOL. The poor QB play you claim is a direct result of the offensive line not being able to sustain blocks. The only success the team has had on offense through two games is when McDonald is rolled out of the pocket. What does that tell you? He had over 300 yards passing and zero interceptions yesterday, he's not the issue.
McDonald isn't the problem. Throwing Melton or Davis out there with an inexperienced and undersized OL is going to make things more ugly than they already are.
We were in that game until the end because of the play of McDonald and the great team play by the defense. We didn't put the game away early because of the play of the offensive line and poor playcalling.
And I echo the sentiments that we are seeing progress. Last year we lose this game 41-6.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
Btw I think we are averaging around 30 rush yards a game. Not good. Back in 2010 we were the nation's worst rushing team and that lack of ground game despite a sr back in Willie Geter held the team back badly and put all the onus on a freshman QB behind a leaky line and a young mistake prone defense.
That team averaged something like 80 yards per game on the ground.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
kdog27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:09 pm
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team. I don’t know why some are so encouraged by not losing to this team by 3 tds. We have a better team than them and should have won.
They had a first round draft pick at WR and a P5 transfer at QB. We were 15 point underdogs. We haven't been this close in a loss since mid-2018.
Context matters. I see a team that is fighting and improving now - we haven't seen that in years. It's not about wins and losses right now, as much as we want it to be.
It’s not about wins or losses. Got it look better and still lose. Great!
kdog27 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:09 pm
South Alabama isn’t even a good Sun Belt team. I don’t know why some are so encouraged by not losing to this team by 3 tds. We have a better team than them and should have won.
They had a first round draft pick at WR and a P5 transfer at QB. We were 15 point underdogs. We haven't been this close in a loss since mid-2018.
Context matters. I see a team that is fighting and improving now - we haven't seen that in years. It's not about wins and losses right now, as much as we want it to be.
It’s not about wins or losses. Got it look better and still lose. Great!
It's not completely about wins and losses,.........but this one inflicts pain on the team and staff that prepares them. Everyone wearing orange an d brown in the stadium Saturday knows there were just too many errors over 4 quarter to get the win playing a team they should have beaten. Hopefully this lost opportunity motivates the program going forward to be prepared to close the deal on similar opportunities. By no means is this a championship caliber team but they should be able to win some games THIS YEAR.
I proudly chose to be a Falcon and a Falcon I will remain until the end.
We're in phase 2 of the rebuild. Being competitive yet still not quite getting over the hump - that seems to be our ceiling. Doesn't mean we'll be winless, but we aren't winning 7, 8, 9 games this year. Next year is when you'll see us start winning some of these close games.
It's frustrating. It's demoralizing. It makes you want to turn off the TV sometimes. But it's progress, and it's leading to something.
The message has never changed. The rebuild was always going to take years, and it has - but now we're starting to get there. Just need to learn how to win. I'm choosing to stay positive because negativity would add nothing to the success of our program.
