Expectations have been set

[jpfalcon09]

Yep, he sucked with Jinks despite being highly rated out of high school. Doege wasn't great either. Babers used BGSU, the athletic administration led by the Kingston crew, abused BGSU.

This is some revisionist history if I ever saw it. Morgan couldn't run Jinks' air raid system because he was wholly inaccurate. Almost everyone was calling for Doege after about four games in 2017. Speaks to Jinks inability to develop a QB. Doege was at least able to move the offense.

[roguewarrior]

Yep, he sucked with Jinks despite being highly rated out of high school. Doege wasn't great either. Babers used BGSU, the athletic administration led by the Kingston crew, abused BGSU.

This is some revisionist history if I ever saw it. Morgan couldn't run Jinks' air raid system because he was wholly inaccurate. Almost everyone was calling for Doege after about four games in 2017. Speaks to Jinks inability to develop a QB. Doege was at least able to move the offense.

The missing link In all this review is the keystone to the demise of all things BG….. one Kit Hughes!

[guest44]

The missing link is actual competence. BGSU enters the sixth football season with Bob Moosbrugger running the department. He believed in Jinks more than most, until the trustees had enough. He then listened to Kingston’s right hand man (over the search firm he paid for) on the next hire. The over under is 1.5 wins and the early camp interviews have Loeffler hoping to find a way to beat Akron. That itself should cause a total clean of house. The result is a bunch of people who have mastered blaming others and lowering expectations so low that nothing is seen as failure. If you establish a 5 year plan you get paid for 5 years, rather than the 2 or 3 it takes to realize you can’t actually do the job. The horrible coaches don’t hire themselves. They just take paychecks BGSU can’t afford.

[MarkL]

The amount of claims out of thin air and falsehoods packed into one paragraph is ... astonishing and impressive.

Moosbrugger believed in Jinks the most?? He inherited Jinks. And an awful contract! Moosbrugger fired Jinks after 2.5 years. In fact, in an stirring display of belief and confidence, Jinks was the first coach to be fired in the 2018 coaching carousel, after just 7 games. And up until then, Moosbrugger was dealing with the hand he was dealt in a professional matter. No professional AD would publicly display any sign of anything but support for his head coach, outside of circumstances like criminal actions by the coach. Want to kill recruiting? Have the AD constantly criticize his coach publicly.

He "listened to Kingston's right hand man over a search committee"? Care to provide proof? Because per Moosbrugger's own words and the reporting, the search committee provided interested candidates and Moose picked his choice off of vision. In fact in the oft linked article about the coach candidates, the ONLY references to Hughes were that a) Hughes spoke with a rep at the search agency, a former BG staffer, about starting the process, and b) that he emailed the search committee rep about starting off the standard background check once Moosbrugger selected Loeffler. So Hughes did basic correspondence with the
search committee - also called, being an assistant.

To quote the article about choosing Loeffler:
Bowling Green came away from its interview with Loeffler impressed. The Ohio native had no head coaching experience, but he had recruited Ohio as a coach for the better part of 20 years, his wife, Amie, graduated from BGSU, and his methodology for the BG job matched what the administration wanted.

So there you have it. Loeffler won the job off his interview and his vision matching the established criteria.

Low expectations? Loeffler literally said you should expect BG to be competitive one year from now and conference champions two years from now. That is as high of expectations as one could ever imagine given five straight years of stink. I personally thought it was foolish to publicly offer those expectations.

I personally am unaware of any specific mentions of Akron coming out of camp. Care to provide proof? Loeffler's interview I saw a week ago was standard coach speak about getting stronger and more consistent on the lines, specific questions and answers about McDonald and Stewart, nothing opponent specific. He did an interview with Tennessee media about ... Tennessee ... a few weeks back.

[Schadenfreude]

Just read a short article in Blade about Doege at WVU, and his upward progress. Ranked a top 25 QB in The nation. Without question having a Top QB talent really covered a lot of the sins brewing at and below the surface as the consequence of the Jinks regime. Imagine had he not been here…

Yeah. In retrospect, James Morgan had a ton of potential, but he just wasn't getting the coaching he needed to realize it. At Florida International, he did, and look at him now.

I was there the night Jinks pulled Morgan out of the game and put Doege in. At the time I was all for it. Morgan just wasn't getting it done. The team looked better immediately with Doege in there.

Looking back: What a enormous waste of talent.

[MarkL]

I was glad for Morgan that he left and found a better opportunity. But selfishly, he would have been a major upgrade in 2019. I bet he would have done well with Loeffler and staff.

Oh well. BG will probably have two NFL draft QBs on one team ... that went 2-10 and saw both QBs leave.

[Schadenfreude]

Head coach Scot Loeffler spoke at the Stone Ridge Golf Club this week, and it was interesting. He couldn't be more clear about expectations. As the Sentinel-Tribune paraphrased him:

Loeffler said this year, in year three, he wants to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This year should show some positive signs towards being a competitive team.

In year four, the team should be competitive. In year five, the Falcons should win the MAC, he said.

Anyway, it was interesting. The fact that he's being this clear about his expectations seems like a good sign.

https://www.sent-trib.com/sports/coach- ... c285b.html

I thought I'd bump this thread. These are the expectations Scot Loefler set this summer.

[mbenecke]

Head coach Scot Loeffler spoke at the Stone Ridge Golf Club this week, and it was interesting. He couldn't be more clear about expectations. As the Sentinel-Tribune paraphrased him:

Loeffler said this year, in year three, he wants to see the light at the end of the tunnel. This year should show some positive signs towards being a competitive team.

In year four, the team should be competitive. In year five, the Falcons should win the MAC, he said.

Anyway, it was interesting. The fact that he's being this clear about his expectations seems like a good sign.

https://www.sent-trib.com/sports/coach- ... c285b.html

I thought I'd bump this thread. These are the expectations Scot Loefler set this summer.

He hasn't wavered from the plan he set forth. Seems like people are just a little impatient around here, at this point.

[pdt1081]

He hasn't wavered from the plan he set forth. Seems like people are just a little impatient around here, at this point.

Is what happens when you win a game you shouldn't have even been in. Flip it to a loss at Minnesota and the tone around here changes completely.

[Flipper]

I don't know if I'm impatient...my issues with the team are:

The OL is terrible and it was a huge error in judgement to not fill some of the holes with more physically mature JUCO or transfer players.

The offense is outdated and it's a poor fit for our personnel.. With a bad OL, the ball has to go out quickly. We run plays that take too long to develop and our QB often holds the ball too long waiting for the routes to be run.

He's married to McDonald as our QB. McDonald is wildly inconsistent...he misses a lot of throws that an experienced QB shouldn't...I've seen him throw passes that were almost end over end

Loeffler makes some really odd decisions with gadget plays.

Maturation might fix problem 1 and part of problem 2...but I don't see McDonald getting any better nor do I see any inclination from Loeffler that he's open to adjusting his philosophy. So...my outlook for the program is kinda bleak

[hammb]

I don't know if I'm impatient...my issues with the team are:

The OL is terrible and it was a huge error in judgement to not fill some of the holes with more physically mature JUCO or transfer players.

The offense is outdated and it's a poor fit for our personnel.. With a bad OL, the ball has to go out quickly. We run plays that take too long to develop and our QB often holds the ball too long waiting for the routes to be run.

He's married to McDonald as our QB. McDonald is wildly inconsistent...he misses a lot of throws that an experienced QB shouldn't...I've seen him throw passes that were almost end over end

Loeffler makes some really odd decisions with gadget plays.

Maturation might fix problem 1 and part of problem 2...but I don't see McDonald getting any better nor do I see any inclination from Loeffler that he's open to adjusting his philosophy. So...my outlook for the program is kinda bleak

In other words you're saying our coach cannot coach? Not surprising since his track record is being a bad coach everywhere he's been prior to his promotion here.

Dude had already been Peter Principled to the OC job across the country and was a failure at pretty much every stop. We gave him a promotion and should be surprised that he can't coach?

The QB he wanted cannot play dead at the ACC level, but he's good enough to at least be meh by MAC standards. HE recruited him to both places and has now married himself to him. He has zero clue what an offense should look like in 2021. Hell Urban would laugh this scheme off the field 20 years ago when he was here. Has no feel for those gadget play timing/design either.

Give him 5 years. Maybe he builds his mystical roster capable of running his antiquated schemes. We'll still be mediocre at best, because dude can't coach. It's ingrained in him and we've seen absolutely zero evidence of improvement in his coaching. He was hired because he was the polar opposite of Jinks and that's exactly what we've gotten: and old school head in the sand coach that has no idea what it takes to score and win in the year 2021.

At some point though, you're REALLY going to struggle recruiting that side of the ball because nobody in their right mind wants to play in this system we're running, exactly like nobody wants to actually WATCH it. All we're likely going to have on offense, talent-wise, is the scraps that couldn't get scholarships to play at places that actually know how to score points.

[Globetrotter]

I don't know if I'm impatient...my issues with the team are:

The OL is terrible and it was a huge error in judgement to not fill some of the holes with more physically mature JUCO or transfer players.

The offense is outdated and it's a poor fit for our personnel.. With a bad OL, the ball has to go out quickly. We run plays that take too long to develop and our QB often holds the ball too long waiting for the routes to be run.

He's married to McDonald as our QB. McDonald is wildly inconsistent...he misses a lot of throws that an experienced QB shouldn't...I've seen him throw passes that were almost end over end

Loeffler makes some really odd decisions with gadget plays.

Maturation might fix problem 1 and part of problem 2...but I don't see McDonald getting any better nor do I see any inclination from Loeffler that he's open to adjusting his philosophy. So...my outlook for the program is kinda bleak

In other words you're saying our coach cannot coach? Not surprising since his track record is being a bad coach everywhere he's been prior to his promotion here.

Dude had already been Peter Principled to the OC job across the country and was a failure at pretty much every stop. We gave him a promotion and should be surprised that he can't coach?

The QB he wanted cannot play dead at the ACC level, but he's good enough to at least be meh by MAC standards. HE recruited him to both places and has now married himself to him. He has zero clue what an offense should look like in 2021. Hell Urban would laugh this scheme off the field 20 years ago when he was here. Has no feel for those gadget play timing/design either.

Give him 5 years. Maybe he builds his mystical roster capable of running his antiquated schemes. We'll still be mediocre at best, because dude can't coach. It's ingrained in him and we've seen absolutely zero evidence of improvement in his coaching. He was hired because he was the polar opposite of Jinks and that's exactly what we've gotten: and old school head in the sand coach that has no idea what it takes to score and win in the year 2021.

At some point though, you're REALLY going to struggle recruiting that side of the ball because nobody in their right mind wants to play in this system we're running, exactly like nobody wants to actually WATCH it. All we're likely going to have on offense, talent-wise, is the scraps that couldn't get scholarships to play at places that actually know how to score points.

They have 3-4 Very good receiving options and a mediocre QB. The Offense should cook. Like many teams it's the OL and the playcalling that is the issue. The reality is it might be the playcalling due to the offensive line.

[jpfalcon09]

I don't know if I'm impatient...my issues with the team are:

The OL is terrible and it was a huge error in judgement to not fill some of the holes with more physically mature JUCO or transfer players.

The offense is outdated and it's a poor fit for our personnel.. With a bad OL, the ball has to go out quickly. We run plays that take too long to develop and our QB often holds the ball too long waiting for the routes to be run.

He's married to McDonald as our QB. McDonald is wildly inconsistent...he misses a lot of throws that an experienced QB shouldn't...I've seen him throw passes that were almost end over end

Loeffler makes some really odd decisions with gadget plays.

Maturation might fix problem 1 and part of problem 2...but I don't see McDonald getting any better nor do I see any inclination from Loeffler that he's open to adjusting his philosophy. So...my outlook for the program is kinda bleak

In other words you're saying our coach cannot coach? Not surprising since his track record is being a bad coach everywhere he's been prior to his promotion here.

Dude had already been Peter Principled to the OC job across the country and was a failure at pretty much every stop. We gave him a promotion and should be surprised that he can't coach?

The QB he wanted cannot play dead at the ACC level, but he's good enough to at least be meh by MAC standards. HE recruited him to both places and has now married himself to him. He has zero clue what an offense should look like in 2021. Hell Urban would laugh this scheme off the field 20 years ago when he was here. Has no feel for those gadget play timing/design either.

Give him 5 years. Maybe he builds his mystical roster capable of running his antiquated schemes. We'll still be mediocre at best, because dude can't coach. It's ingrained in him and we've seen absolutely zero evidence of improvement in his coaching. He was hired because he was the polar opposite of Jinks and that's exactly what we've gotten: and old school head in the sand coach that has no idea what it takes to score and win in the year 2021.

At some point though, you're REALLY going to struggle recruiting that side of the ball because nobody in their right mind wants to play in this system we're running, exactly like nobody wants to actually WATCH it. All we're likely going to have on offense, talent-wise, is the scraps that couldn't get scholarships to play at places that actually know how to score points.

Dude is married to antiquated thinking offensively and is stubborn as a mule. A lot of his assistants are guys he's coached with or played with in the past so I doubt he's getting many dissenting opinions to how the offense is handling things. It's likely he doesn't have success here, and perhaps that's not a bad thing. If he doesn't, we may look back and simply see him as a bridge who was able to stabilize the program and at least have a foundation built for the next guy to come along.

The approach at this point should be holding him accountable to what he said earlier in the year about where he expects the program to be. Is the team more competitive? Sure. A lot of that is the product of bringing in P5 transfers to solidify the defense. If the season ends with only two wins though, I don't believe many of us can be convinced we're seeing the improvement we were promised. So in my eyes, the pressure is on these last six weeks to produce a couple more victories to solidify his case.

I want the guy to succeed. He's a good dude by all accounts in the conversations I've had with him. I'll never actively root for a coach to fail. But you also have to remain objective and be fair in assessing where the program is at. Without a doubt he's back next year, but he's going to start feeling the heat if the results on the field don't back up his coach speak.

[Schadenfreude]

The approach at this point should be holding him accountable to what he said earlier in the year about where he expects the program to be. Is the team more competitive? Sure. A lot of that is the product of bringing in P5 transfers to solidify the defense. If the season ends with only two wins though, I don't believe many of us can be convinced we're seeing the improvement we were promised. So in my eyes, the pressure is on these last six weeks to produce a couple more victories to solidify his case.

We came within a hair of beating South Alabama and were very competitive against Kent State. We are already seeing clear improvement, even if we finish with only two wins. (So long as we continue playing at this level, which is well ahead of last year.)

Without a doubt he's back next year, but he's going to start feeling the heat if the results on the field don't back up his coach speak.

This is fair. I expect us to be around .500 next year, if not fighting for a bowl berth, to stay on schedule. If the Falcons aren't at that level, Loeffler will have earned some heat.

That said: With another year in the weight room and a couple of OL transfers, it seems possible to stay on schedule. Matt McDonald has been competent and we do have some skill players around him. Off-hand, I'm not sure who we lose on defense. If we can adapt to those losses, I like our potential.

As far as the offensive system: Is this really much different from what Dave Clawson was doing? He got us a league title, after all.

[Flipper]

He's "earned heat" now....another season of bad or even mediocre football earns him a ticket out of town