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I have seen enough to decide. Loeffler and company are not making BG into a sustained championship level team. “Making progress” after three years is not what legit winners do. They do the bulk of the behind the scenes things mostly right, but he is not a game day coach. Period.

This quote from him yesterday also sums up his BS:

“We’ve been working on that play because [McKinstry’s] a big body.” Loeffler said. “The first read popped, which was McKinstry, and Matt put the placement exactly where it needed to be. With time [and] weight room, we’re going to make that play. He ran a great route, he just needs to finish. I mean, he ran a great route, not a good route. I mean, detailed, it was an awesome route, but he just didn’t finish.

What a load of sh$$!!! He dropped the ball right in his hands. Period. Kids can catch balls from third grade on without 3 years in the college weight room. Maybe don’t bring him in ice cold off the bench for one crucial play…. Game day tactics. Same hapless decision making as having him throw a lateral pass to kill another TD drive.

His quote is self serving. The route was magnificent- translation: I drew that up……He dropped it-translation: I picked a great player, he just needs time….. or more accurate- I need time…..

Will he get canned? No. The question is how long does BG Football wallow in mediocrity- assuming we even get to mediocrity?

Barring injury, McDonald is your QB next year. After that…..how much time in the weight room will the new QB need? That QB is not here now, at least in their eyes; which is all that matters.

We have good enough players to compete and maybe win. We are coached into bad situations, failure and losses.
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When I think of the current state of BGSU football and the "progress" they've made I cannot think of anything more fitting than a phrase I learned years ago. It's something that has proved itself over and over again in my years of fandom:

"Losing close is NOT close to winning."
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roguewarrior wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:12 pm This quote from him yesterday also sums up his BS:

“We’ve been working on that play because [McKinstry’s] a big body.” Loeffler said. “The first read popped, which was McKinstry, and Matt put the placement exactly where it needed to be. With time [and] weight room, we’re going to make that play. He ran a great route, he just needs to finish. I mean, he ran a great route, not a good route. I mean, detailed, it was an awesome route, but he just didn’t finish.

What a load of sh$$!!! He dropped the ball right in his hands. Period. Kids can catch balls from third grade on without 3 years in the college weight room. Maybe don’t bring him in ice cold off the bench for one crucial play…. Game day tactics. Same hapless decision making as having him throw a lateral pass to kill another TD drive.

His quote is self serving. The route was magnificent- translation: I drew that up……He dropped it-translation: I picked a great player, he just needs time….. or more accurate- I need time…..
This all seems better to me than ripping the kid in front of the media for dropping the ball.

We all know he dropped the ball. Everyone in the stadium saw it. McKinstry knows what he did. So why dwell on that? Instead, Loeffler emphasized what he did right on that play, which is to run the route correctly.
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Schadenfreude wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:52 pm
roguewarrior wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:12 pm This quote from him yesterday also sums up his BS:

“We’ve been working on that play because [McKinstry’s] a big body.” Loeffler said. “The first read popped, which was McKinstry, and Matt put the placement exactly where it needed to be. With time [and] weight room, we’re going to make that play. He ran a great route, he just needs to finish. I mean, he ran a great route, not a good route. I mean, detailed, it was an awesome route, but he just didn’t finish.

What a load of sh$$!!! He dropped the ball right in his hands. Period. Kids can catch balls from third grade on without 3 years in the college weight room. Maybe don’t bring him in ice cold off the bench for one crucial play…. Game day tactics. Same hapless decision making as having him throw a lateral pass to kill another TD drive.

His quote is self serving. The route was magnificent- translation: I drew that up……He dropped it-translation: I picked a great player, he just needs time….. or more accurate- I need time…..
This all seems better to me than ripping the kid in front of the media for dropping the ball.

We all know he dropped the ball. Everyone in the stadium saw it. McKinstry knows what he did. So why dwell on that? Instead, Loeffler emphasized what he did right on that play, which is to run the route correctly.
I’m not piling on the kid or suggesting he should have. I’m saying many of his commentaries are self serving…. Read between the lines. To your point, it Didn’t even need to be addressed.
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We're so young... We're making progress...we're consistently getting beat by bad football teams in the third year of this shitshow...but they're trying so hard.

Pull the plug...now. Start looking for the replacement. Do an Ogeron and say 2021 is the end of the line
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Welcome aboard everybody. When the coach says "it's going to get worse before it gets better" it's just lowering the standard. When the coach discusses the way a coach left, two coaches ago. it's lowering the standard. Loeffler isn't Clawson, and he never ever was.

Jim McElwain just beat Toledo and is 4-3 2-1 in the MAC. If only he had a Boston connection.
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No no no. It’s year three and I said we’d still be bad in year so it’s okay. The plan is to still suck in year three. We are on schedule. We’ll be good conveniently in the final year of my contract. Bank on it.
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I mean, before the season he said last year they were not competitive, this year they would be competitive, and next year they will win. It’s really hard to argue that he has been wrong so far. We should have a better record right now but the improvement is so defined that I can’t see why you wouldn’t have a little confidence looking into next season.
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Yes. We are so significantly improved from last year that I suspect much of the board has amnesia. A year ago we lost all our games by four or more possessions and this year have been in all of them. Nobody thought we would do better than 2-3 possession beatdowns one after the next.

Loeffler will be back next year. And a call to relieve the coach coming from the parent of a player sounds like a sour reaction to a kid not getting playing time, like happens in high school all the time where the parents just know how much brighter they are than the coaches. Just how it sounds, correct me if I'm wrong.
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You all are better than me. I’m not going celebrate close losses to South Alabama and the Mac
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PJ Fleck laughs at your 5 year turnaround plan...

We were a bottom five program nationally in SL's first year...second year and again in his third year. That doesn't seem like progress.
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Bowling Green is a 4 point dog to Eastern Michigan at home. Back when Bowling Green athletics had standards, that alone would get a coach fired.
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AD isn't going to pull the trigger any time soon, so it's a moot point. I agree that we're starting to see that Scot probably isn't going to be the solution, but the question then becomes if the administration and alumni are willing to go through this whole process again?

Neither option at this point seems particularly appealing.
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guest44 wrote: Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:02 pm When the coach says "it's going to get worse before it gets better" it's just lowering the standard.
Dave Clawson, in his first season, the year Bowling Green played in the Potato Bowl, warned that the team would get worse before it got better again. That's exactly what happened, and he led us to a MAC championship.

The Falcons are significantly improved from last season. They are moving forward.
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https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu ... 0190111118

Well this time around they could listen to the search firm. How about Will Healy who the search firm mentioned? He has winning record at Charlotte and has them 4-2 this season. Another rebuild that didn’t take 5 years.
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