Seen enough to decide

[OptionQB]

I knew we were in trouble at the opening press conference when he mentioned “promising” 5 years to Bowling Green. He wasn’t a hot name on the job market. In fact he was weeks away from being let go at BC for a middling offense and it’s easy to “promise” 5 years and tell a clueless Ath Dept/administrative ppl that you need that kind of time when you have zero other options.

[jpfalcon09]

Three years is a really long time...it's 36 months...1095 days...how long do you guys think we need to see lousy football before you decide it's time to move on? I get that the situation was bad here, but it's been three years. OK...the OLine is awful...who put us in the position to have no one with real game experience in those spots? Mike JInks? Dino Babers? nope...Did Mike Jinks recruit McDonald and decide to play him even though he continues to make Godawful throws with his little league baseball delivery? Nope. Tiny incremental improvements like not giving up 62 to Kent but still losing or staying within 20 of Akron....Akron...for God's sake...Akron...I don't that's nearly enough progress to show after 3 years on the job.

And stop complaining about how young we are. We're halfway through the season...you shouldn't be seeing the same mistakes you saw in week one

He isn't going to win...and by win I mean a conference title nd sniffing the top 25...results that are historically achievable here...pull the fricking plug and find someone who didn't steal their playbook from Lloyd Carr

Man if I were a guy looking for a potential coaching job, BG would be the last place I'd want to go if they fire two consecutive coaches after two and a half years. Players would transfer out again, new guy would have to bring in his players, etc. We'd be right back here in 2024. I'd hate to see us become a place like Tennessee where it's a revolving door for several years.

By no means am I giving Scot a free pass, but at this point it's less about wins and losses and more about getting the program stable enough so someone else can come in and be able to at least build off a foundation. Letting him go now burns the entire thing back to the ground.

[guest44]

Remember this insanity?

https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/bgsu ... 0201027138

BG then went on to play the most embarrassing 5 football games in school history shortly after. The members of the department retweeted and celebrated this story as some accomplishment. The only thing more out of touch were the hires of BG’s first three defensive coordinators under Loeffler. Pelini, Hermann, and VanGorder, a whose who of getting your old coaching pals a final paycheck.

[Flipper]

Three years is a really long time...it's 36 months...1095 days...how long do you guys think we need to see lousy football before you decide it's time to move on? I get that the situation was bad here, but it's been three years. OK...the OLine is awful...who put us in the position to have no one with real game experience in those spots? Mike JInks? Dino Babers? nope...Did Mike Jinks recruit McDonald and decide to play him even though he continues to make Godawful throws with his little league baseball delivery? Nope. Tiny incremental improvements like not giving up 62 to Kent but still losing or staying within 20 of Akron....Akron...for God's sake...Akron...I don't that's nearly enough progress to show after 3 years on the job.

And stop complaining about how young we are. We're halfway through the season...you shouldn't be seeing the same mistakes you saw in week one

He isn't going to win...and by win I mean a conference title nd sniffing the top 25...results that are historically achievable here...pull the fricking plug and find someone who didn't steal their playbook from Lloyd Carr

Man if I were a guy looking for a potential coaching job, BG would be the last place I'd want to go if they fire two consecutive coaches after two and a half years. Players would transfer out again, new guy would have to bring in his players, etc. We'd be right back here in 2024. I'd hate to see us become a place like Tennessee where it's a revolving door for several years.

By no means am I giving Scot a free pass, but at this point it's less about wins and losses and more about getting the program stable enough so someone else can come in and be able to at least build off a foundation. Letting him go now burns the entire thing back to the ground.

Not me..Meyer, Clawson and Babers all used this gig as a launch pad to millions of dollars at a p5 school.

firing Loeffler only burns it to the ground if the next guy finds that necessary

[MarkL]

Coach had a lot of pep in his step today at the press conference. He seems genuinely optimistic about the trajectory of the program. As I and others are pointing out, there is real tangible improvement this year. Next year there must be results. He seems to be indicating he believes that will happen. Hopefully he's right.

[MarkL]

firing Loeffler only burns it to the ground if the next guy finds that necessary

That's a guaranteed way to keep the program burned for a long time. It sends the message that Bowling Green gives you no leash.

2019 it was Jinks' team. 2020 the Jinks floor totally collapsed. 2021 is the first year it is really Loeffler's team. You want to can the guy at that time? That lets any coach know that he gets only one real year. One year to win a championship or take a hike.

Don't sign me up for that hiring process.

[Schadenfreude]

firing Loeffler only burns it to the ground if the next guy finds that necessary

That's a guaranteed way to keep the program burned for a long time. It sends the message that Bowling Green gives you no leash.

2019 it was Jinks' team. 2020 the Jinks floor totally collapsed. 2021 is the first year it is really Loeffler's team. You want to can the guy at that time? That lets any coach know that he gets only one real year. One year to win a championship or take a hike.

Don't sign me up for that hiring process.

I agree with this. Loeffler was given five years. Everyone know this is was a full, from-the-ground up rebuild. That's what he has always sold us, and he has never really deviated from that. Loeffler even made a point to limit the number of junior college transfers he pursued because he wanted to think long term and build a solid foundation so this program is peaking in the out years. He did that at some professional risk, because his approach meant we might have to be more patient until the program is firing on all cylinders.

If Bob Moosbrugger were to pull the plug now?

I don't know how he would ever hire a good football coach again. Who would trust him after that?

[Flipper]

Sure...let's be lousy for a couple of more years...that will send a message that we take this process seriously

[BGSU33]

Three years is a really long time...it's 36 months...1095 days...how long do you guys think we need to see lousy football before you decide it's time to move on? I get that the situation was bad here, but it's been three years. OK...the OLine is awful...who put us in the position to have no one with real game experience in those spots? Mike JInks? Dino Babers? nope...Did Mike Jinks recruit McDonald and decide to play him even though he continues to make Godawful throws with his little league baseball delivery? Nope. Tiny incremental improvements like not giving up 62 to Kent but still losing or staying within 20 of Akron....Akron...for God's sake...Akron...I don't that's nearly enough progress to show after 3 years on the job.

And stop complaining about how young we are. We're halfway through the season...you shouldn't be seeing the same mistakes you saw in week one

He isn't going to win...and by win I mean a conference title nd sniffing the top 25...results that are historically achievable here...pull the fricking plug and find someone who didn't steal their playbook from Lloyd Carr

I don't disagree with these points, they're all valid. I guess despite my lack of patience with this overall mess, I'm still willing to give it until next year. But no more excuses at that point. Time's up come then. Period.

[jpfalcon09]

Three years is a really long time...it's 36 months...1095 days...how long do you guys think we need to see lousy football before you decide it's time to move on? I get that the situation was bad here, but it's been three years. OK...the OLine is awful...who put us in the position to have no one with real game experience in those spots? Mike JInks? Dino Babers? nope...Did Mike Jinks recruit McDonald and decide to play him even though he continues to make Godawful throws with his little league baseball delivery? Nope. Tiny incremental improvements like not giving up 62 to Kent but still losing or staying within 20 of Akron....Akron...for God's sake...Akron...I don't that's nearly enough progress to show after 3 years on the job.

And stop complaining about how young we are. We're halfway through the season...you shouldn't be seeing the same mistakes you saw in week one

He isn't going to win...and by win I mean a conference title nd sniffing the top 25...results that are historically achievable here...pull the fricking plug and find someone who didn't steal their playbook from Lloyd Carr

Man if I were a guy looking for a potential coaching job, BG would be the last place I'd want to go if they fire two consecutive coaches after two and a half years. Players would transfer out again, new guy would have to bring in his players, etc. We'd be right back here in 2024. I'd hate to see us become a place like Tennessee where it's a revolving door for several years.

By no means am I giving Scot a free pass, but at this point it's less about wins and losses and more about getting the program stable enough so someone else can come in and be able to at least build off a foundation. Letting him go now burns the entire thing back to the ground.

Not me..Meyer, Clawson and Babers all used this gig as a launch pad to millions of dollars at a p5 school.

firing Loeffler only burns it to the ground if the next guy finds that necessary

Funny that Clawson wasn't competitive until year 4. His first year was an anamoly, and then he went 2-10, 5-7. He also inherited a better situation, but there are a lot of comparables. Babers doesn't even belong in the conversation given he rode the coattails of Clawson's work. Urban was a once in a lifetime scenario.

[jpfalcon09]

Coach had a lot of pep in his step today at the press conference. He seems genuinely optimistic about the trajectory of the program. As I and others are pointing out, there is real tangible improvement this year. Next year there must be results. He seems to be indicating he believes that will happen. Hopefully he's right.

At this point it's what he needs to be held to. He set the timeline, he'll be judged against it. Fans setting wreckless and unreasonable expectations isn't his fault. There's more nuances that are more important than wins and losses at this juncture. It sucks to have to be patient, but it is what it is.

[Flipper]

Clawson did not inherit a markedly better situation. Brandon's incompetence had the program under scholarship restrictions for academics. His retention rate on recruits was almost as bad as Jinks. Clawson had some talent to work with in year one. Then he had to build from the ground up. We had one poor year.. but you could see the progress from year two to year three. I don't see a lot of progress here in year three.

Call me crazy...but it seems like the primary defense of Loeffler is the incompetence of his predecessor. I don't think you get to play that card any more three years in

[MarkL]

I've pointed out before that Jinks was fired for all the reasons Brandon was fired. Arrests, attrition, embarrassments off the field. But a big difference. Brandon won games. Jinks did not. Brandon's worst season record was 4-8. Same as Jinks' best.

Loeffler inherited far worse scenario.

[guest44]

Clawson had a resume of rebuilding programs from the ground up. Loeffler was a year away from not being retained at his 3rd consecutive job. He leveraged Boston, Urban Meyer, and where he was from to be the opposite of Mike Jinks. Not one single thing proved he would be a competent head coach. Very little he has done since his hire has proven otherwise. Clawson had his coordinators, stuck with his coordinators, won with his coordinators. Loeffler got VanGorder a couple more years in the sport to set records for putrid. If Bowling Green had listened to the search firm, Loeffler would be with Addazio for one last ride at Colorado St. where Urban Meyer got him that job.

If Loeffler could really coach he would never ever ever ever lose to those craptastic Akron Zips two years in row. By double digits. Pathetic.

[Tony4BG]

Amazing took roguewarrior this long to figure out Loeffler. As a parent of a player he has way more info of what’s going on in practice and behind the scenes. I have a feeling his son is a defensive player and most of them are playing well so someone trying to say as a parent he shouldn’t be saying these things, if anything he should say more how Loeffler really is with players. Anyone around football a long time can see when coaches have no clue what they’re doing. We saw it under Jinks and now Loeffler.