Embarrassing

[BleedOrange]

Dakich and Larranaga both had long stretches of quality teams. The only loss as bad as this was our Morgantown Meltown, which was about 20 years ago.

[BleedOrange]

This season has been an absolute dumpster fire so far, there is NO doubt about that. But I'm not throwing in the towel just yet on this season.

Whatever criticism you may have with Huger, BG has had its best and longest stretch of quality teams with him leading since maybe the 1960s (I know, you old-timers will claim we were better in the 80s or 90s and the MAC was better then -- whatever, spare me). He has flaws, but don't we all. Regardless, In Huger I Trust. Maybe this year turns into a similar year to when we lost to Cleveland State and then turned things around. I certainly am not jumping off the ship after 2 road losses, no matter how horrific they were. But it definitely isn't the type of start I was hoping to see!

The problem is the solution. Does anyone trust this coaching staff to figure out anything other than chuck up a 3 as the shot clock expires?

Yes, because the solution often doesn't involve on-court changes. It's about personalities and the locker room and roles and a million other things than Xs and Os. And I trust Huger, because I've seen him do it before, to teach and transform this team over the course of the season. Maybe it won't work and maybe this is an 8-22 season ahead of us. But he's done it before.

?

You've seen Hugor do exactly what before?

How many more consecutive losing streaks in February do you need to see?

[guest44]

He like Bob Moosbrugger saw one run to the MAC Championship game. It included beating Ball St. and Northern Illinois (nearly an epic collapse) to eventually lose to Buffalo by double digits. Once again, because Louis Orr put everyone to sleep for a decade, that mild accomplishment is treated as much more, because of how bad Orr was. No standards, bad contracts.

[BGSU33]

Dakich and Larranaga both had long stretches of quality teams. The only loss as bad as this was our Morgantown Meltown, which was about 20 years ago.

That game wasn’t actually played in Morgantown. We played WVU but the game itself was played in Charleston. Yes it was a beat down, but we were a very good team that year. We entered the game 6–1 and began the year 11-2 en route to a 22-8 season where we were MAC East division champs and went to the NIT. This year’s team won’t accomplish anything like that one did, despite the blowout.

[hammb]

This season has been an absolute dumpster fire so far, there is NO doubt about that. But I'm not throwing in the towel just yet on this season.

Whatever criticism you may have with Huger, BG has had its best and longest stretch of quality teams with him leading since maybe the 1960s (I know, you old-timers will claim we were better in the 80s or 90s and the MAC was better then -- whatever, spare me). He has flaws, but don't we all. Regardless, In Huger I Trust. Maybe this year turns into a similar year to when we lost to Cleveland State and then turned things around. I certainly am not jumping off the ship after 2 road losses, no matter how horrific they were. But it definitely isn't the type of start I was hoping to see!

This just isn't true.

If we absolve Huger for his first awful season, over just the last 5 years Huger's MAC record is 48-42 (.533). The BEST stretch of that time (when he had our all time leading scorer!) was the last 3 years at 34-20 (.630) . Those 5 year numbers are not at all good, it's mediocre. The last 3 years were fine, I guess, but not nearly good enough when you were picked to win the conference in 2 of those seasons.

Dakich 1.0 had a 5 year run of 55-35 (.611); removing his rough(ish) 1st year he was 48-24 (.667) . Larranaga was overall a mediocre 101-85 (.543) , but his final 4 year stretch was 44-28 (.611).

Look, Dakich 2.0 was horrible. He lost the trust of his players and could never rebuild the program, but he actually had some coaching chops, just couldn't keep talent around. Larranaga was overall mediocre, but his final 4 years he got things humming pretty good. The truth is Huger has had less success than either of them had. Yeah, that was 30 years ago, but the real reason why the time line is so stretched is because we're happy with pure mediocrity for so very long. If we were a normal athletic dept Dakich 2.0 would have been let go at least a year earlier than he was. Orr was kept around for at least 2-3 years longer than he should have been. A willingness to keep mediocrity in place has stretched things out so that our last success was 20 years ago. Well Huger's the next in that line. We'll let him keep on being mediocre for another 2 seasons after this one, I'm sure, because BGSU has zero commitment to excellence at basketball. We've not fired a coach in my lifetime, so I doubt we'll start with a mediocre alum who can keep pointing to a slightly above mediocre 3 year stretch because he recruited a single transcendent guard.

[hammb]

This season has been an absolute dumpster fire so far, there is NO doubt about that. But I'm not throwing in the towel just yet on this season.

Whatever criticism you may have with Huger, BG has had its best and longest stretch of quality teams with him leading since maybe the 1960s (I know, you old-timers will claim we were better in the 80s or 90s and the MAC was better then -- whatever, spare me). He has flaws, but don't we all. Regardless, In Huger I Trust. Maybe this year turns into a similar year to when we lost to Cleveland State and then turned things around. I certainly am not jumping off the ship after 2 road losses, no matter how horrific they were. But it definitely isn't the type of start I was hoping to see!

The problem is the solution. Does anyone trust this coaching staff to figure out anything other than chuck up a 3 as the shot clock expires?

Yes, because the solution often doesn't involve on-court changes. It's about personalities and the locker room and roles and a million other things than Xs and Os. And I trust Huger, because I've seen him do it before, to teach and transform this team over the course of the season. Maybe it won't work and maybe this is an 8-22 season ahead of us. But he's done it before.

?

You've seen Hugor do exactly what before?

How many more consecutive losing streaks in February do you need to see?

In 2016 we were 3-10 during Feb-March
In 2017 we were 4-6
In 2018 we were 3-7
In 2019 we were 8-6
In 2020 we were 4-4
In 2021 we were 4-5


The ONLY year he's ever had a winning record in Feb-March was the culmination of a season where we were 14-6 leading up to February. So, in short, if Huger takes this team and has them put it all together to play their best basketball late in the season this will be the FIRST time he's ever taken a team and corrected things to play well at the end of the year.


In 2020 we were

[Diemilkweed]

Only no, he hasn't. He has gotten .500 teams to pkay .600 ball. And he has gotten .700 teams to play .600 ball.

He has not gotten to the dance, gas a terrible tourney record, does worse in the 2nd half of conference play than the first....

He brings in beyter talent than we have had since the 80's or early 90's. But just like Larranaga did with him, he does mothing with it.

[Roll Along!]

Third most wins in the MAC over the last three years. Let's fire him for 2 non conference road losses.

[Globetrotter]

Third most wins in the MAC over the last three years. Let's fire him for 2 non conference road losses.

What has that gotten us?

[Flipper]

Third most is nice wins is nice...if you see some benefit from it...like a trip to the NCAA's.

[Diemilkweed]

Third most wins when you were supposed to win the conference but collapsed.

He recruits well. He coaches like crap.

[BillyLP]

Third most wins when you were supposed to win the conference but collapsed.

He recruits well. He coaches like crap.

Lots of coaches can get away with this if they have a well-rounded staff. I would have liked to have seen a bit more turnover under Huger in the past season to help improve game plan stuff. Clearly what they have now isn't working.

[Roll Along!]

Third most wins when you were supposed to win the conference but collapsed.

He recruits well. He coaches like crap.

Lots of coaches can get away with this if they have a well-rounded staff. I would have liked to have seen a bit more turnover under Huger in the past season to help improve game plan stuff. Clearly what they have now isn't working.

Losing Mike Summey a couple of years ago really hurt with this. He is one of the brightest Xs and Os coaches in the country. I don't know a ton about the current assistant coaches.

[FalconTurf]

I want to go to an NCAA tournament game with BG playing in it. How patient can we be? Interesting look at Robert Jone's from Norfolk State.
Robert Jones Coaching Record
Year University Record Pct. Conference Record Finish Postseason
2013-14 NSU 19-15 .559 MEAC 11-5 T-3rd MEAC Semis/CIT First Round
2014-15 NSU 20-14 .588 MEAC 12-4 2nd MEAC Semis/CIT First Round
2015-16 NSU 17-17 .500 MEAC 12-4 T-2nd MEAC Semis/CIT First Round
2016-17 NSU 17-17 .500 MEAC 12-4 2nd MEAC Final/CIT First Round
2017-18 NSU 14-19 .424 MEAC 11-5 T-4th MEAC Quarterfinals
2018-19 NSU 22-14 .611 MEAC 14-2 1st MEAC Final/NIT Second Round
2019-20 NSU 16-15 .516 MEAC 12-4 T-2nd N/A *
2020-21 NSU 17-8 .680 MEAC 8-4 T-1st North MEAC Champs/NCAA First Four & First Round
Total NSU 142-119 .544 MEAC 92-32 .742 * No Postseason due to COVID-19

YEAR EIGHT at NSU