vs. Ohio (11/26)

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:52 pm

Who said they expected great strides other than you?

guest44 · Post by **guest44** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:01 am

Come on people, they are young. They were young in 2019 because Jinks and Babers. They were young in 2020 because Loeffler didn't come here to do what Babers did, WIN and leave. They are young in 2021 because any talent they had on the line, left. It will be Fall 2022, Loeffler will be tweeting about going to the moon, and the team will still be young.

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:35 am

I expected the O Line to be eaten up by Tennessee and Minnesota early, not Toledo and Miami late. They were much greener then. There are no injuries. There is no logical explanation for that, other than a bad scheme and being out coached.

Antimob · Post by **Antimob** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:47 am

The score of the Tennessee game was 38-6. They had 196 yards of total offense against Minnesota. Inadequate then and now.

The best OL's have experienced juniors and seniors which the '17 and '18 classes should have stocked. I blame Loeffler for not recruiting these offensive linemen for BG when he was at Boston College.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:58 am

More apologist nonsense...

OL has gotten progressively worse as the season has worn on. The old saying "you're not a freshman anymore" when you're 10 games into the season has a lot of truth behind it.

It's Loeffler's job to recryit and to coach players. He recruited a couple of transfer DB's who ar Sr's...why did he not put the same effort into fixing the glaring need at OL?

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:58 am

Antimob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:47 am The score of the Tennessee game was 38-6. They had 196 yards of total offense against Minnesota. Inadequate then and now.

The best OL's have experienced juniors and seniors which the '17 and '18 classes should have stocked. I blame Loeffler for not recruiting these offensive linemen for BG when he was at Boston College.

It’s his third year and he has a freshman o line. Yeah I blame him too. So by his what 5th and 6th year we might have a good line? Wait, no now he’s using the transfer portal so these guys probably will never play again. Or are we building it the right way.? I can’t keep it straight anymore.

Antimob · Post by **Antimob** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:23 am

Two full recruiting cycles translates to freshmen and redshirt freshmen, so yes, there's your freshman offensive line.

They're not being "replaced." Competition will be brought in so the best players will rise to the occasion and earn playing time. What a concept! And after another spring practice and a year in the weight room it's entirely plausible they'll be starters next year.

I love how it's an "apologist" position to posit that upperclassmen are better than underclassmen and 6 points and under 200 yards of offense is some kind of offensive apex that we've suffered a massive regression from.

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:30 am

Antimob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:47 am The score of the Tennessee game was 38-6. They had 196 yards of total offense against Minnesota. Inadequate then and now.

The best OL's have experienced juniors and seniors which the '17 and '18 classes should have stocked. I blame Loeffler for not recruiting these offensive linemen for BG when he was at Boston College.

I am not suggesting the line should be great. I am also not suggesting the line is even good. I’m further not suggesting the young age of the starting lineman is entirely his fault. I am stating that they should NOT be doing worse against MAC teams late in the season, VS better against an SEC and Big 10 team early. I blame the regression the only place it lies- scheme, poor or no adjustments- coaching. I bet a donut the o-line coach gets released.

guest44 · Post by **guest44** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:45 am

Antimob,

What about the guy who started all 5 games as a Redshirt Freshman to develop in 2020, then left the program. Babers or Jinks fault?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:21 am

It is nonsense to create the straw man that SL critics are expecting an elite OL ...I know I'm not. I do expect to see improvement over time ...which we are not seeing...and an understanding that this problem was present three years ago and it's present now. How has it not been fixed to ANY extent

Y'all can yammer on and on about improvement, but we are one loss away from another 3-9 season. The same record we had in SL first year with the dumpster fire team he inherited

Antimob · Post by **Antimob** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:35 pm

guest44 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:45 am Antimob,

What about the guy who started all 5 games as a Redshirt Freshman to develop in 2020, then left the program. Babers or Jinks fault?

I think the player you're referring to was a RS sophomore that transferred to WKU to play for Stephen Hamby, his old recruiter and position coach under Jinks. You can't fault him for that, especially being recruited as an Air Raid center not expected to run block.

I agree that Loeffler should have recruited a couple grad transfers/JUCO's to plug the holes, but it seems he also realizes it was a mistake and is bound to not repeat it.

roguewarrior · Post by **roguewarrior** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm

I think he’s referring to Kilbane, who left mid season.

Antimob · Post by **Antimob** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:27 pm

roguewarrior wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:58 pm I think he’s referring to Kilbane, who left mid season.

He said it was someone who started all 5 games in 2020. Kilbane was never a starter.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:53 pm

Antimob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:23 am Two full recruiting cycles translates to freshmen and redshirt freshmen, so yes, there's your freshman offensive line.

They're not being "replaced." Competition will be brought in so the best players will rise to the occasion and earn playing time. What a concept! And after another spring practice and a year in the weight room it's entirely plausible they'll be starters next year.

Okay if you really believe that is going take place. You’re apparently okay and see the best in coaches that go 7-24 followed by 6-22.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:58 pm

Flipper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:21 amY'all can yammer on and on about improvement, but we are one loss away from another 3-9 season.

Bowling Green was winless last year. Compared to that, 3-9 or 4-8 is improvement.

The same record we had in SL first year with the dumpster fire team he inherited

If you recall, Dave Clawson's career here followed a similar arc: A bowl game in his first year, but then a dip into some pretty rough territory as he set about rebuilding once Gregg Brandon's last few classes became the heart and soul of the team. Clawson saw the dip coming , he told us it was coming, and he told us about the schedule he needed to return Bowling Green to the MAC championship game.

Scot Loeffler has also laid out a course for rebuilding this program, apparently with full buy in from the athletic director. So far, he seems to be on the schedule he has laid out.

No question, the shellackings this team has taken against Miami, Toledo, and Eastern Michigan are worrisome. But I don't see an action item here.

Either Loeffler finds a way to improve offensive line play next season or he doesn't.

Either this team becomes competitive next season or it doesn't.

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