Huger has 3 years left, what a clown show...

[BillyLP]

At those other schools did they disclose the contract extensions? At those other schools did they only do it in the sport with a endowment? Did they do it in sports where the coach has a losing record in conference?

What schools specifically in which sports?

There are three schools I know for sure that did it across the board for all coaches that did not have an expiring contract (which, aside from football, is typically only head coaches). One is in the ACC, one in the Big 12, and one in Conference USA. I'm not sure what the disclosures were. At least one of them also implemented a 10% furlough, and that was one of the "rewards" or whatever to make up for it (did BG ever do a furlough? No, right?). Also, frankly, each of those schools has a donor base where the money can be found for a buyout if needed. Two of the football coaches have an overall losing record. I don't feel like looking into basketball records right now, but they aren't exactly powerhouses.

With a couple of the others I know of, I only know of extensions for coaches in the "revenue" sports, which includes football, men's and women's basketball, and baseball for at least one of them.

Again, I am not saying I agree with the extension, just that there was a precedent set and it's clear that BG just went along with that.

[jpfalcon09]

At those other schools did they disclose the contract extensions? At those other schools did they only do it in the sport with a endowment? Did they do it in sports where the coach has a losing record in conference?

What schools specifically in which sports?

There are three schools I know for sure that did it across the board for all coaches that did not have an expiring contract (which, aside from football, is typically only head coaches). One is in the ACC, one in the Big 12, and one in Conference USA. I'm not sure what the disclosures were. At least one of them also implemented a 10% furlough, and that was one of the "rewards" or whatever to make up for it (did BG ever do a furlough? No, right?). Also, frankly, each of those schools has a donor base where the money can be found for a buyout if needed. Two of the football coaches have an overall losing record. I don't feel like looking into basketball records right now, but they aren't exactly powerhouses.

With a couple of the others I know of, I only know of extensions for coaches in the "revenue" sports, which includes football, men's and women's basketball, and baseball for at least one of them.

Again, I am not saying I agree with the extension, just that there was a precedent set and it's clear that BG just went along with that.

https://bgindependentmedia.org/bgsu-ann ... er%20moves.

Other employees were subject to furloughs. Many employers did this during covid and I'd be willing to bet most of them never paid back or offered any sort of "goodwill" compensation as a "thank you". As other have said, it's foolish and shortsighted to have essentially bargained out some sort of compromise with Huger or any other coach.

[footballguy51]

At those other schools did they disclose the contract extensions? At those other schools did they only do it in the sport with a endowment? Did they do it in sports where the coach has a losing record in conference?

What schools specifically in which sports?

There are three schools I know for sure that did it across the board for all coaches that did not have an expiring contract (which, aside from football, is typically only head coaches). One is in the ACC, one in the Big 12, and one in Conference USA. I'm not sure what the disclosures were. At least one of them also implemented a 10% furlough, and that was one of the "rewards" or whatever to make up for it (did BG ever do a furlough? No, right?). Also, frankly, each of those schools has a donor base where the money can be found for a buyout if needed. Two of the football coaches have an overall losing record. I don't feel like looking into basketball records right now, but they aren't exactly powerhouses.

With a couple of the others I know of, I only know of extensions for coaches in the "revenue" sports, which includes football, men's and women's basketball, and baseball for at least one of them.

Again, I am not saying I agree with the extension, just that there was a precedent set and it's clear that BG just went along with that.

https://bgindependentmedia.org/bgsu-ann ... er%20moves.

Other employees were subject to furloughs. Many employers did this during covid and I'd be willing to bet most of them never paid back or offered any sort of "goodwill" compensation as a "thank you". As other have said, it's foolish and shortsighted to have essentially bargained out some sort of compromise with Huger or any other coach.

The difference is that the furloughs and layoffs were implemented on employees that were not in a union or under a contract. The coaches have a contract and therefore they negotiated.

[guest44]

The BGSU coach negotiated a secret second contract extension in 18 months, in the middle of a pandemic because they knew they could use additional funds from an endowment where the funds aren’t being used correctly. We’ve got it. That coach is owed 1.245 million and is a 16.5 point underdog to the rival tomorrow night. Bob Moosbrugger is a MORON. It wasn’t made public for obvious reasons. Scumbags everywhere.

Huger is a worse basketball coach than Louis Orr, getting paid nearly double, for additional years, with nicer shoes and gear, all thanks to Bill Frack. Thanks to Bill Frack @CoachHugerCamps aren’t necessary anymore. Thanks to Bill Frack a pandemic is an opportunity for a contract extension. That same pandemic is an excuse for wins and losses. Mostly losses.

[guest44]

Need another opinion. Here is a member of the family of Justin Turner.

https://twitter.com/bruce__leroy__/stat ... 26379?s=21

[Schadenfreude]

The difference is that the furloughs and layoffs were implemented on employees that were not in a union or under a contract. The coaches have a contract and therefore they negotiated.

Exactly.

Think back to two years ago. A strange new deadly virus was sweeping across the country and the economy was shutting down. The NCAA basketball tournament -- which Bowling Green might well have qualified for had the season not been called off -- was canceled, which ended up costing the Bowling Green athletic department quite a bit of revenue. The future looked very scary, and it was unclear whether other sources of athletic department revenue would also dry up.

BGSU responded as many organizations did by furloughing employees. They couldn't furlough university personnel working under individual contracts like Coach Huger, so they did the next best thing by negotiating to push some of that expense out a future fiscal year.

As BillyLP points out, a number of other Division I schools took similar approaches with their coaches. And, in the case of Coach Huger: Why not? Bowling Green had earned the No. 2 seed in the MAC men's basketball tournament. At the time, we were seeing some of the best basketball played around here since the days of Dan Dakich, Keith McLeod, Len Matela, and Brandon Pardon.

The only part of this that raises an eyebrow for me is why we are only finding out about it now. Normally, BGSU puts out a news release when it extends a head coaching contract. It would be interesting to learn why that wasn't done in this case.

But if we are honest about it, this probably only really matters to people who already have an axe to grind with Bob Moosbrugger and this athletic department.

[Flipper]

I don't like Scott Loeffler...but didn't he do a give back on his contract without a quid pro quo? Pretty sure I recall reading that Harbaugh gave up some money to aid Michigan Athletics department employees adversely impacted by the shutdowns.

Our guy uses the pandemic to squeeze out anther year at $400k plus

[Schadenfreude]

Bill Frack money just being used and abused as a slush fund.

Many of your posts are only loosely tethered to reality, but at this point you might be exposing yourself to some legal liability.

This is a serious allegation. I'm not an attorney, but given your track record here, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to demonstrate malice.

[guest44]

Schadenfraud have you ever been part of a Covid contract extension? I've got some questions. No you are not an attorney. You are an "investor". You invest in outdated websites to control what is said. It's a hot market.

[Falconwriter]

I went out and watched the OU game this week and came away happy. The game was entertaining and exciting. I got my money's worth. I no longer am hung up on getting back to the NCAA tournament where we would be placed with a poor seed and virtually no chance of doing much other than being beaten soundly. Yeah, it would be a fun week leading up to a game like that. But really is that what we have been hoping for these last 54 years? Seems a bit absurd.
OU is a good team and watching Sears and Vander Plas was a treat. Wonderful talent in the league year in and out. I have always marveled at the athleticism passing through the league down through the years. I look forward to seeing BG basketball for years to come and pull for the home team and the league in general.

Same goes for football... When I think about our little community having a tremendous university with a beautiful campus and a DI football team going to the Rose Bowl next fall to play UCLA I feel a sense of pride.

Ay Ziggy! Go Falcons!

Okay, how about just winning a MAC championship? Under the current setup, BG has not won a MAC title since 1968. Do you really think that's acceptable?

I sure don't.

The NCAA tournament aside, if your school has gone more than half a century without being able to win a league title, something is wrong with your program.

[jpfalcon09]

I don't like Scott Loeffler...but didn't he do a give back on his contract without a quid pro quo? Pretty sure I recall reading that Harbaugh gave up some money to aid Michigan Athletics department employees adversely impacted by the shutdowns.

Our guy uses the pandemic to squeeze out anther year at $400k plus

Loeffler redirected $100K of his $530K salary back to athletic and football operations. He resumed his normal salary on July 1, 2021. As far as anyone knows he was not given an extra year on his contract.

[Flipper]

The talk on 97.1 this morning out of Detroit was...in part...Oakland U men's basketball and the possible termination of Coach Greg Kampe. He's in trouble because they haven't been to the NCAA's since...get this...2011. The hesitance by the athletics department to hold employees accountable is mind blowing. It's like our motto is "Well...at least you tried. Good job!"

[jpfalcon09]

The talk on 97.1 this morning out of Detroit was...in part...Oakland U men's basketball and the possible termination of Coach Greg Kampe. He's in trouble because they haven't been to the NCAA's since...get this...2011. The hesitance by the athletics department to hold employees accountable is mind blowing. It's like our motto is "Well...at least you tried. Good job!"

Lack of expectations coupled with a bunch of alumni running the departments or in leadership positions. Feels like some sort of bastardized nepotism. Bill Frack has been rolling is his grave the past several days.

[guest44]

Why November of 2020? Let's look back on what was happening then.

https://getsomemaction.com/news/2020/11 ... unced.aspx

Meanwhile in BGSU Football land in November 2020.

November 4th, 2020 -- Toledo 38 Bowling Green 3
November 10th, 2020 -- Kent State 62 Bowling Green 24
November 17th, 2020 -- Buffalo 42 Bowling Green 17
November 28th, 2020 -- Ohio 52 Bowling Green 10

It wasn't announced because it wouldn't have been received well.

[hammb]

The difference is that the furloughs and layoffs were implemented on employees that were not in a union or under a contract. The coaches have a contract and therefore they negotiated.

As BillyLP points out, a number of other Division I schools took similar approaches with their coaches. And, in the case of Coach Huger: Why not? Bowling Green had earned the No. 2 seed in the MAC men's basketball tournament. At the time, we were seeing some of the best basketball played around here since the days of Dan Dakich, Keith McLeod, Len Matela, and Brandon Pardon.

The only part of this that raises an eyebrow for me is why we are only finding out about it now. Normally, BGSU puts out a news release when it extends a head coaching contract. It would be interesting to learn why that wasn't done in this case.

But if we are honest about it, this probably only really matters to people who already have an axe to grind with Bob Moosbrugger and this athletic department.

And as BillyLP also pointed out those extra years are largely a nothing-burger for those other Athletic Depts because they can and will find the funding to jettison those coaches if necessary regardless of the additional commitment. BG is not and has not been capable/willing to do that. We have twice in the past 20 years played lame-duck seasons with our basketball coaches because we didn't want to fire them or couldn't find the money to do so. The Frack money SHOULD change that, but thus far we haven't seen it come to fruition.

Your assertion that BG was playing some great basketball is completely misguided. OF course you were one who stated Huger deserved his extension when it happened. Nobody who actually WATCHED BG basketball with any consistency thought that. At no point under Huger have we ever played good basketball. We did have 3 seasons of winning thanks solely to Justin Turner's talent level. At this point I can say with 100% honesty that recruiting Justin Turner is probably the only positive thing Huger has contributed to BG hoops. Kudos to him for a massive recruiting win, but other than that singular signing it's been years of crap. Teams w/o Turner have all been awful, and other than the year we were surprised (because we didn't yet realize how good Turner was) those Turner-led teams underachieved 2 years in a row.

Your last paragraph is just absurd. I have no axe to grind with Moosbrugger & the athletic department. I just have standards for them. The only people who do NOT have a reason to criticize Moose & the dept at this point are those who are just happy or proud to HAVE D1 athletics in the first place. I don't give 2 beans about Bob Moosbrugger, except for the fact that he's the AD of my alma mater and he's done an absolutely awful job running that department. At least in any of the sports that I care about.