Huger has 3 years left, what a clown show...

[TommyG]

A few of us that actually know the way things have been done are proven to be right over and over. Not sure how you could defend the AD at this point. If Rodgers doesn’t want to make the change, then he should probably go too.

[Schadenfreude]

And as BillyLP also pointed out those extra years are largely a nothing-burger for those other Athletic Depts because they can and will find the funding to jettison those coaches if necessary regardless of the additional commitment. BG is not and has not been capable/willing to do that.

One of the examples BillyLP provided was a Conference USA school.

Your assertion that BG was playing some great basketball is completely misguided.

Bowling Green finished the 2019-2020 regular season in second place. That is great basketball.

OF course you were one who stated Huger deserved his extension when it happened.

I said it and I meant it. At the time, I wasn't sure if three years was justified. I thought perhaps two years would have been better. But, yes, I absolutely thought an extension was justified. I still do.

Nobody who actually WATCHED BG basketball with any consistency thought that.

I don't watch Bowling Green basketball at all, but I know the Falcons finished 22-12 that season, 12-6 in the MAC, and the future looked very bright. The Falcons had just played their way into a MAC tournament final.

The news release issued at the time seems a reasonable summary of the situation at the time.

https://bgsufalcons.com/news/2019/5/24/ ... -extension

At no point under Huger have we ever played good basketball.

I don't know how you square a No. 2 seed with bad basketball, but we obviously see this differently.

[Flipper]

2nd place is NOT great basketball...suggesting it is is emblematic of the low standards that have allowed a largely indifferent athletic department to slide all these years. Moose and Hughes were our version of Brooklyn 99's Hitchcock and Scully...Scully is gone...let's get rid of Hitchcock

[guest44]

2nd place. Losing the final 3 games before the Covid shutdown. Lined an underdog in the first round against the 7 seed Toledo. It was 2nd place, it likely wasn’t going to win anything. When the best result is what could have happened in 3 games you would have been the underdog in, you know.

https://www.bgfalconmedia.com/news/bgsu ... 963f4.html

Little did Bill Frack know he would have had better odds with his money in Las Vegas.

[hammb]

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[hammb]

Nobody who actually WATCHED BG basketball with any consistency thought that.

I don't watch Bowling Green basketball at all, but I know the Falcons finished 22-12 that season, 12-6 in the MAC, and the future looked very bright. The Falcons had just played their way into a MAC tournament final.

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At no point under Huger have we ever played good basketball.

I don't know how you square a No. 2 seed with bad basketball, but we obviously see this differently.

I'll put the synopsis first before my rambling...


TL;DR: You can play bad basketball and still win some games based on a single great player.


Begin Longwinded version:

So we will highlight these 2 quotes from you, and here is what I get from your comments on the subject. My conclusion could be wrong, so please feel free to correct me, but it explains an AWFUL lot about your posts in this forum.

My conclusion:

You don't watch BGSU basketball, and in fact probably watch very little basketball at all. You clearly do not understand the fundamentals of basketball.


/end my conclusion on your quotes.


Here is my rebuttal for how I can square the No. 2 seed with us NOT playing "good basketball".

Basketball is a team sport in name and practice, but unlike most team sports individual talents have the ability to mask the quality of the team far more. To be even more specific a single individual talent has the ability to mask everything.

This is why Michael Jordan won 6 titles.
This is why LeBron has won 4 titles and prior to this season has been on a title contender every year for the past 10+ years.
This is why basketball greatness is defined by your ability to win titles more than anything else.

College basketball is different than the NBA. At the end of the year the best TEAMS generally win out over the best individual talents, but there are still plenty of instances of an individual talents raising the floor for a sub-par team.

My assertion, one we've made countless times in this forum, those of us that actually WATCH the games. Justin Turner was so good that we put up some good W/L records in his tenure. Yet the incompetence of the coaching staff A) prevented us from reaching the actual goals of the program, and B) prevented us from actually seeing how good Justin Turner truly was. His numbers were inefficient and pedestrian because our coaching staff did not build a basketball TEAM around Justin Turner, instead they put the ball into Justin Turner's hands and asked him to carry BGSU to the NCAA tournament.

Regarding the comparison to the early '00s Dakich teams, Justin Turner was our modern version of Keith McLeod. It is difficult for me to compare Turner & McLeod, but I can say with absolute certainty (and I think nearly anybody else that watches would as well) the team concept surrounding Keith McLeod was night and day better than what surrounded Turner in his 4 years here. Perhaps it's simply because Matela/Klassen/Pardon were more talented than Frye/Wiggins/Plowden, but in watching the way the games have played out I'd say it was coaching more than talent.

To my previous point. Without Justin Turner on the team Huger's coaching record in the MAC is 18-37. That's not just bad, it's AWFUL. It's Worse than Louis Orr awful. If Michael Huger has to find the greatest scorer in BG history to just get to the point of not being embarrassingly bad in conference, then we have the wrong coach.
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[Falcon]

Amen the the previous post. None of us on here are basketball wizards. We have the luxury of watching the games and giving our opinions that hold pretty much no merit. Myself included. But in any athletic program there is much more that goes into coaching than in game management. Huger’s first 3 seasons IN MY OPINON cannot FULLY be held against him. He inherited a team that had 7-8 guys leave before he got here (probably because it would be 3 coaches in 3 years). His #1 job at the time was stability and build from the ground up. According to the link provided in earlier posts, APR was 863 which is atrocious... and 100% on Jans. However, years 4-7 can be held against him. And this one has not been up to par, but damn people want to run him out of town so fast. He is facing public humiliation right now, and truthfully the more it goes on, the more I feel bad for the guy. Fans, TOL Blade, this board are all destroying the same guys who took us too a conference championship, beat nationally ranked Buffalo, sold out the stroh multiple times, gave 3 straight winning MAC Seasons 12-6, 12-6, 10-8, and also had a chance to win a tourney again before it was shut down to COVID.

Let’s stop for a second and think... if my company was public ally destroying me, after providing some of the most successful sales in recent history, I’d be furious! Not only for myself, but because my family would be reading that too. It’s cowardly humiliation. Shoot I’d probably take action against my company for doing that. But that’s not the world coaches get to live in.

Just because we don’t love how Huger basketball looks doesn’t mean he should get fired at first sight of failure. The guy has won. Simple. And it seems like people here hold the past 54 years against HIM. Maybe we as fans should be packing the arena every night if it’s that important to us. And that includes myself. Huger’s interview with Strack made a great point... do we only want to be a part of it when it’s good? The crowd vs Ohio was electric and look at the results.... during both 12-6 season we only had 4 or 5 home losses? Us as fans play a part in that.

Was a 3 year extension justified? Who knows. But at the end of the day they gave it to a winning coach who took the basement team of the MAC all the way to 2nd place. But to many that still isn’t good enough. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that Jans finished in FIFTH... 5th PLACE... 1 and done in Cleveland too. And that is WITH and NBA draft pick. Huger loses Holmes, Clarke (Top 2 scorers), Henderson & Dickerson (5th and 6th scorers) and finishes in last place but goes to the semi finals with 2 freshman starters (Wiggins and Lillard).

I doubt the get rid of him. And truthfully they shouldn’t just yet. If this season is the new normal for him then that’s a different story. But how about we play our part and support the team and players EVERY night?

Just one poor mans opinion.

[guest44]

"But at the end of the day they gave it to a winning coach who took the basement team of the MAC all the way to 2nd place. But to many that still isn’t good enough."

You said it yourself. Jans finished 5th. If we want to use the what if scenario, we can do that to. Bowling Green was playing for as high as the 1 or 2 seed in the final game. Richaun Holmes suffers a concussion. BG loses that game. Holmes sits the first round MAC Tournament game, and plays limited minutes vs. Eastern Michigan when it loses, wearing a towel over his head on the bench. Woulda shoulda coulda works both ways.

The basement teams were coached by Huger. If you think Huger is a better coach than Jans, more power to you.

Richaun Holmes wasn't an NBA draft pick until Jans.

[Flipper]

Lyshe and Austin left with Jans...Henderson, Holmes and Clarke were Sr's under Jans. None of the guys who left early were key contributors under Jans. This notion that Jans somehow decimated the program in his one 20 win and two cheeks season is off kilter.

[hammb]

Huger's comments about only being fans during the good times are the most insanely idiotic thing I've ever heard. My parents were in gradeschool the last time BG basketball HAD "good times". We've had relative success and we've had mediocrity/awful. There are no "bandwagon" BG basketball fans because we haven't had any success worth speaking of in 5 decades. And no I don't hold 50 years of futility against Huger. I merely hold the last 6 years against him. Where even the GOOD seasons he clearly couldn't coach.

This year isn't the "new" norm for Huger it's the "No Turner" norm. He is NOT a winning coach. Even with the Turner years he's sub .500 in league play, which is better than the absolutely pathetic record without Turner.

And even with Turner the one thing you can count on with Huger's teams, like clockwork, is they play their worst basketball in February & March. In his tenure BG Basketball is 28-46 in the months of February & March. Even just looking at the Turner years we were only 19-23 in these months. Pathetic.

[BillyLP]

And as BillyLP also pointed out those extra years are largely a nothing-burger for those other Athletic Depts because they can and will find the funding to jettison those coaches if necessary regardless of the additional commitment. BG is not and has not been capable/willing to do that.

One of the examples BillyLP provided was a Conference USA school.

Not taking sides here, but the C-USA school I mentioned has significantly higher financial resources than BG, so they would be able to jettison coaches if needed. Just wanted to clarify that.

[guest44]

And as BillyLP also pointed out those extra years are largely a nothing-burger for those other Athletic Depts because they can and will find the funding to jettison those coaches if necessary regardless of the additional commitment. BG is not and has not been capable/willing to do that.

One of the examples BillyLP provided was a Conference USA school.

Not taking sides here, but the C-USA school I mentioned has significantly higher financial resources than BG, so they would be able to jettison coaches if needed. Just wanted to clarify that.

Is it by chance Louisiana Tech?

[Falcon]

"But at the end of the day they gave it to a winning coach who took the basement team of the MAC all the way to 2nd place. But to many that still isn’t good enough."

You said it yourself. Jans finished 5th. If we want to use the what if scenario, we can do that to. Bowling Green was playing for as high as the 1 or 2 seed in the final game. Richaun Holmes suffers a concussion. BG loses that game. Holmes sits the first round MAC Tournament game, and plays limited minutes vs. Eastern Michigan when it loses, wearing a towel over his head on the bench. Woulda shoulda coulda works both ways.

The basement teams were coached by Huger. If you think Huger is a better coach than Jans, more power to you.

Richaun Holmes wasn't an NBA draft pick until Jans.

Holmes played 28 minutes. That’s not limited. 18pts 5reb 2blk vs EMU..

All I’m saying is we are so quick to destroy Huger because we don’t like how he coaches. At the end of the day the guy had success. Clearly better basketball is expected moving forward. Not debating that.

How will we all react if Huger gets us to the NCAA Touney? Will we still want him fired? What if he makes back to back NCAA’s? Is his time here all but over no matter what?

[guest44]

Didn't play on that Monday, Holmes played 28 minutes on Wednesday vs. Eastern and had a towel over his head each time he went to the bench. Didn't play the following Tuesday in the trash postseason tournament. If you wanted to argue he shouldn't have played vs. Eastern now that is a fair argument.

Success? Not really. Two contract extension success? Yeah right.

[Tricky_Falcon]

You are an "investor". You invest in outdated websites to control what is said. It's a hot market.

Here you are every...single...day...posting multiple times a day on this outdated website.