Time for Dakich to move on?

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:18 pm

Don't forget Coach D's players EARN THEIR DEGREES as well. This year was a good one...I had us winning 10 games.

I'm not ready to write off Coach D.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:24 pm

I dont think thats a minor poitn that you had us winning 10 games. 1. Its awesome that with the talent we have we won the number of games we did.
2. Its not awesome that this is the talent we have.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:06 pm

I said at the outset of the season we'd win 18. We won 18...I'm smart so listen to me.

Dan is a good coach. There are some institutional issues that make this program a tough one to run. First and foremost is our arena. Anderson arena sucks. Yes, that's right Anderson arena sucks. It's hard to get to, the seating is uncomfortable, the concessions are awful and the restroom facilities are putrid. As much as I like dragging my three year old daughter into the men's room with me (nice seeing you, Grant) I'd really really prefer a family restroom. I still go to the games, but I imagine there are a number of people who don't because of the arena.

Any head coach would be as hamstrung by the same awful facilities, limited budget and apathetic fan base as Dan has been. That doesn't mean he's absolved from blame though.

I do agree with one aspect of hammb's criticisms. I think we do play a pretty ugly brand of basketball. I would greatly prefer to open things up a bit offensively. I also would like to see us play some zone defense. Our kids looked dead at the end of the year again. If you look at our record over the last ten games each year under Dan, I don't think you'll see a pretty picture. Man-to-man is physically taxing. The motion offense is physically taxing. We don't have the kind of depth to allow us to burn our players out like that.

Other than that, things our fine. I just had lunch and some ice cream for dessert. Man, I love the Snicker's ice cream bars!

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:13 pm

Flipper wrote:I said at the outset of the season we'd win 18. We won 18...I'm smart so listen to me.

you also have a picture of a bunny sniffing a deer's ass for your avatar. I think I'll hold off on listening to you.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:28 pm

Hey Flipper I don't think I ever said Dan isn't a good coach, because I certainly think he can coach. The guy built up our program to some 20 win seasons, and I'm pretty sure that he has forgotten how to coach in that time frame.

I think he's brought in some guys that didn't quite fit his mold in recent years. Then those guys transferred out, because they couldn't take his style of coaching. That hamstrung us worse than any lack of recruiting ever could. We have 3 guards right now, THREE. And not one of them is a consistent performer, that is not good.

I would just like to see us do something to play a more exciting brand of basketball. I also agree with your comments about the zone defense. We just don't have the depth (mainly because of transfers) to play only man defense.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:31 pm

I don't think I said that you think Dan can't coach...I think.
I simply agreed with your point that we play some ugly-assed basketball

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:35 pm

With this all said had we had......Jimmy King, Reggie Harwell, Rasheen Moss, Maurier Angui, Ron Lewis, Chris Hobson, Kris Wilson that huge Austin guy who balled it up(whats his name Eric) in the preseason scrimmage that one season and Erik Crawford (Others, wasnt there a white PG who left) this conversation would be moot. We would be at or near the top of the MAC each of the last 3 years. And dont forget Riemold transferred in after shining at a MEAC program for a season.Jimmy King, Reggie Harwell, Rasheen Moss, Maurier Angui, Ron Lewis, Chris Hobson, Kris Wilson that huge Austin guy who balled it up(whats his name Eric) in the preseason scrimmage that one season and Erik Crawford (Others, wasnt there a white PG who left) this conversation would be moot. We would be at or near the top of the MAC each of the last 3 years. And dont forget Riemold transferred in after shining at a MEAC program for a season.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:40 pm

Is there an echo in here? Can you introduce Rasheen Moss to Raheem Moss? They might have a lot in common

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:48 pm

The all transfer in the last 3 years team

1 (Raheen)Moss-Wilson
2 Lewis-Hobson
3 Krawford-Harwell
4 Austin-King
5 Anqui-Rosefelt

Please forgive my spelling.

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 · Post by **BGSUSynchroSk8r2006** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:49 pm

See, I'm worried about senior leadership for next year as well, but then again, last season I never would have imagined Reimold and Almanson being as strong and being such dominant leaders on the team as they have been. Knowing that fact, who knows what can happen next year. I know a few players will step up and work harder and get stronger and be team leaders next year. At this point I can't imagine any of the returning players stepping up and being leaders and hitting 20+ points per game consistently. But as I said, I thought the same thing last season about this year's seniors. It will get done. Firing Dak isn't the answer. We had a great season overall, at least in my opinion. I agree that our boys are tired by the end of the season, thus why we lost 4 out of our last 6 games (including 2 postseason.) Some of our losses earlier in the season could have been easily won if not for minor mistakes. We ended up 18-11, I think we could have been at least 20-9, if not better. Things need to change, which is obvious, I think we all know this. But again, I don't think firing Dak will be the solution.

Mrs. Krebs is one of my professors, and from things she has told us, I don't think they will be sticking around much longer. I don't think Paul Krebs will fire Dakich as he's walking out the door.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:55 pm

Wilson had a major personal issue, his departure couldn't be helped.
Angui was taking classes here (I think) but never was on scholarship.
Austin didn't transfer, he quit playing basketball all together. Harwell didn't qualify and then flunked out anyway. I think King was a disciplinary casualty

Of all the other guys (Crawford, Moss, Lewis, Rosefelt and Hobson) the only two I miss are Crawford and Hobson.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:01 pm

I'm not ready to give up on DD either. But, with that said, things do need to change and soon. This season was probably better than we all expected, no doubt. But as for all the transfers recently, these were all guys he and his staff brought in, they were “his” players. And the fact of the matter is, so where the ones who stayed and played here too. These guys were his and we can focus all we want on the ones who left, but the ones who stayed are his. Did we suffer from their departures? No doubt. But the guys who had to step up where his too. And out of all the losses via transfers, Ron Lewis was the biggest loss and we can argue we might have been better off with out him.

I'm looking for two things next year from our team and program:

1. Balance. For years we've been one or two dimensional. Meaning, we’d only really had one or two threats to score or pull the trigger and three or four guys running around looking confused, setting picks, and looking like a deer in headlights when they have to take or make a shot. Basketball is a game of 5-on-5, but our offensive schemes center around one or two players on the team taking shots. We need five guys on the floor who can play (shoot, pass, run, defend). I don’t care if they’re black, while, fat, skinny, tall or short…..if you put five guys on the floor who can all contribute in the ways needed to win a basketball game, I’ll take it and it’s what we need. We cannot keep counting on one or two guys to put us on their shoulders and carry the team, we just can’t.

2. Newcomers who can play right away. I don’t care if they are recruits or JUCO’s, we need guys who can come in here and play right away. I’m not saying they have to start, but I’m tired of us bringing in guys (many who don’t pan out) and have them sit on the bench for several years and collect fouls when they get on the floor. Look at Ohio U. this season. Three of their newcomers START – two freshman (both whom were named All-MAC including the MAC Freshman of the Year) and a JUCO who might be their best player. The other two starters, one is a sophomore (who was named All-MAC last year) and the other was a JUCO as well. They brought in guys right away who could play and they are panning out and the Bobcats have a great future ahead of them, not to mention they are in the MAC Semifinals heading into tonight.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:21 pm

BGSUSynchroSk8r2006 wrote:Some of our losses earlier in the season could have been easily won if not for minor mistakes. We ended up 18-11, I think we could have been at least 20-9, if not better.

Yeah, but to be fair, we could EASILY have lost the Toledo game, both Ball State games and the Miami game. In the UT and BSU games, they had the ball at the end. If that happens, we're 14-15.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:29 pm

Flipper wrote:Wilson had a major personal issue, his departure couldn't be helped.
Angui was taking classes here (I think) but never was on scholarship.
Austin didn't transfer, he quit playing basketball all together. Harwell didn't qualify and then flunked out anyway. I think King was a disciplinary casualty

Of all the other guys (Crawford, Moss, Lewis, Rosefelt and Hobson) the only two I miss are Crawford and Hobson.

33 said alot of what I was going to say. Your point here lacks logic. You list the reasons that certain athletes never played at BGSU. That does not mean you can take the responsibilty for them never playing at BGSU off of Dan Dakich's back.(save for Wilson) Dakich researched and spoke with all of those young men and took the chance on them over other young men. In each of those instances he was wrong. Why did Austin quit playing basketball.....who is to say that Dakich couldnt have helped him stay with the program. I am not saying it is a given he could have. It may not be Dakichs fault he left... But it is Dakichs fault that he recruited a player who did not care about basketball enough to stick with it.

The fact that you don't miss Moss or Lewis is absurd. Had Keith McLeod been allowed to transfer when he was disgruntled I bet you would be here saying the same thing about McLeod.

Coaches are expected to recruit players that stay for four years. He got himself into this mess. He is not without blame at all. No matter if you said good riddens to Moss and Lewis. Thats two players we invested time and effort and years into who are gone. Dakich obviously thought they could fit with the team. Dont get me wrong. A coach is allowed to be wrong and make errors. Its just recenlty it seems like Dakich has made more than his share. He probably should have just went somewhere else and cut ties after he left for West Virginia.

By the way. I agree with the poster who said give him 2 more years. Next year is a pass and then see how this years freshman class and next years frosh are playing. I think we should be pretty good by the time Vandermeer is a Junior.

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:38 pm

You thinking bout' changing your username any time soon? :-\

Time for Dakich to move on?

Hey Germainfitch1.....