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[Diemilkweed]

Growing up in BG, the Hockey team was always a threat to win the national title. The football team was either 1st or 2nd in any given decade in total wins for the conference. The basketball team won the regular season often enough to be interesting. The best MAC basketball players often went to the NBA and some did quite well: Majerle, Grant Long, Ron Harper were all in the MAC at almost the same time. Plenty of others at least got a cup of coffee.

Holmes was doing OK on a terrible team. What other MAC player is doing anything at all in the NBA at the moment?

[hammb]

Growing up in BG, the Hockey team was always a threat to win the national title. The football team was either 1st or 2nd in any given decade in total wins for the conference. The basketball team won the regular season often enough to be interesting. The best MAC basketball players often went to the NBA and some did quite well: Majerle, Grant Long, Ron Harper were all in the MAC at almost the same time. Plenty of others at least got a cup of coffee.

Holmes was doing OK on a terrible team. What other MAC player is doing anything at all in the NBA at the moment?

Prior to Preston getting drafted last year Holmes was the only Mac player in the NBA. He was the first one drafted since, I think, Chris kaman.

Mac hoops is down because the conference as a whole gives about as much about it as BG does.

[jpfalcon09]

Whenever I want to be depressed I visit this board.

[Diemilkweed]

Whenever I want to be depressed I visit this board.

Fair enough.

[Schadenfreude]

Whenever I want to be depressed I visit this board.

Exactly.

[Schadenfreude]

I would add that much of the criticism of Moosbrugger in this thread is quite over the top. It has been supposed here that Moosbrugger is not just "incompetent," but the "most incompetent athletic director that has ever stepped foot on campus." It has been suggested that BGSU could "literally ... grab anyone with even a little experience in college athletics or management and they’d do a better job," and that Moosbrugger likely "will [not] ever be an athletic director again" after leaving BGSU.

These views seem outlandish given that fact that Moosbrugger's contract was extended just two years ago by BGSU.

[Flipper]

As was...apparently... Huger's...is he equally competent in your BGSU athletics department slappy view?

[hammb]

Schad likes to talk irony. How's this for ironic...somebody who is so upset about the negativity of this board, and constantly expresses it by being negative about that negativity. The difference is while he likes to bitch about all of us, he thinks the guys in charge of BGSU and BGSU athletics are all doing a terrific job. The rest of us are merely upset that we spend millions of student dollars to be the worst football team in the country and only slightly better than that on the hardwood.

FACTS:

Our football program has been one of the worst in the NCAA for a half a decade.
Our basketball program has committed to mediocrity with extending coaches despite one of the largest budgets in the conference and no real successes.
Our AD who was hired largely for his fundraising acumen has failed to increase private donations to the dept, and has actually lessened them other than the influx of baseball spending that was only achieved through...
...cutting baseball entirely and forcing alums/donors to save it
Zero improvements in gameday operations for decades (this encompasses no less than 5 ADs)

I don't care if BGSU made him the highest paid athletic director in history. We have mountains of evidence that BGSU themselves are incompetent at managing an athletic department. By Schad's logic they could call me and make me the athletic director, giving me a nice long contract, and that automatically means I'M a competent AD; well I guarantee you I would NOT be. Based on the body of work anybody looking at that department with any objectivity knows he's been incompetent. The fact he's getting extended says far more about the competency of the people making that decision than it does Moosbrugger's.

[Schadenfreude]

he thinks the guys in charge of BGSU and BGSU athletics are all doing a terrific job.

I've never said this.

Honestly, I have no idea how good Bob Moosbrugger is good at his job. I've never met him and it's possible I never will.

But I'm deeply skeptical of the claims being made here about incompetence. We can all see that BGSU regards him as at least competent (and perhaps much more so) based on the new contract they awarded him two years ago.

I'm also skeptical people here fully grasp what the job is. I've never taken a sports management class, so I'm not sure I fully grasp it either, but I suspect much of it really comes down to managing a multimillion dollar budget and operation. This means containing costs, trying to find new sources of revenue, and getting the most out of limited resources.

He may be very good at this. I have never met President Rogers either so I can only speculate as to how he sees it. But, for example, on this...

Our AD who was hired largely for his fundraising acumen has failed to increase private donations to the dept, and has actually lessened them other than the influx of baseball spending that was only achieved through...
...cutting baseball entirely and forcing alums/donors to save it

BGSU probably sees this as a positive, and reasonably so. Trying to compete in Division I baseball from the MAC is a bit like lighting money on fire. (It is very difficult for northern schools to succeed in that sport, and even when they do, almost no one cares to watch.) The fact that Moose has made a tough decision here (in a sport he personally played himself!) and was able to offload at least some of this money burn onto private donors seems like a positive to me.

I don't see football as a negative, either. Moose inherited a dumpster fire, and he has a guy in place undertaking a long term rebuild. If it doesn't pan out, we can reassess, but so far the rebuild is on schedule.

Many other team sports are thriving. Women's basketball appears on its way back thanks to the very strong hire he made for that program. Men's soccer made the NCAA tournament. Women's soccer is the class of the MAC. The volleyball program is one of the strongest in the conference.

It is true that men's basketball has regressed during the past two years. The direction of the hockey program is also making some of us uneasy. But it is a long, long way from these unfavorable trends in two sports to incompetence.

[kdog27]

Schad likes to talk irony. How's this for ironic...somebody who is so upset about the negativity of this board, and constantly expresses it by being negative about that negativity.

And always finds himself in the middle of it. Guest and Tommy the two he likes to call trolls he is always responding to and he even addresses them without quoting something they said. Thanks though because I happen to like most of what they mention. He talks about banning people. Shoot, dude would have no one to talk to if we banned them.

[Flipper]

The football program is being run by a HC with a limited history of success as a coordinator...he's done nothing but point fingers and make excuses for his poor performance while offering nonsensical explanations for his actions. Hs rebuild is on schedule if you believe it's a five year process. In the era of instant transfers, that is false. He is...to put it bluntly...a dumbass. He never should have been hired, the search committee hired to fill the vacancy did not recommend him. Moose owns this failure 100% and it's the biggest failure a MAC AD can have

Men's soccer hired their coach in 2009, women's volleyball in 2011, "Moose' did hire the women's soccer coach that turned the progrm round in 2016...and the current coach has been able to maintain that program. Coach Fralick appears to be on the right track...this year will tell a lot in that regard. So, his track record includes a couple of decent hires and one disaster. His disaster is in the highest profile sport in the department.
He nonsensically extended the contract of the men's basketball coach who's approach to coaching appears to be not to coach

He nearly destroyed baseball.

He does not appear to be much of a fundraiser...

Most importantly...he has done little to energize a department that has a looooong history of laziness. For all his faults...the biggest being the inexplicable hiring of Mike Jinks, Kingston tried to build some enthusiasm in the community and on campus. Where's Moose on that?

[Schadenfreude]

Hs rebuild is on schedule if you believe it's a five year process. In the era of instant transfers, that is false.

The last time this football team won a MAC title, it was after a five-year rebuild. And at the time Moosbrugger hired Scot Loeffler to undertake another rebuild (to clean up a much bigger mess than the one left behind for Dave Clawson), instant transfers were not yet a thing. Loeffler is now taking more advantage of transfers, as he should.

[Flipper]

Loeffler was against the use of transfers before he was for them...He compared himself to Dave Clawson last year...turned down the chance to win 8 or 9 games because the transfer portal was a road to nowhere. His rationale for not using them last year was that it wasn't the "right way". Now...as if by magic...it is.

He's a ball of suck rapped in contradictions


And the football team was in far worse shape when Clawson took over. Numerous off the field issues, arrests, an NCAA mandated reduction in scholarships. Loeffler took over a program from an inexperienced coach, but he had a full complement of scholarships available and some talent on hand...talent that he ran off.

[Schadenfreude]

Loeffler was against the use of transfers before he was for them...

Sure. Because there were no instant transfers when he was hired. He is adjusting his management style to the evolution of NCAA rules, as any head coach should.

And the football team was in far worse shape when Clawson took over.

Well, we disagree on that. So does Clawson, as I understand it.

[Flipper]

He was against the use of transfers last year and is on record as saying he deliberately avoided them. Now...when his ass is on the line.. he embraces them.

Did not know you speak for Dave Clawson...did not know Dave Clawson was that aware of the inner workings of BGSU football.

Jesus...is Scott Loeffler your uncle or something?