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Anyone see Lenny Matela give them the business in the comments when they announced the schedule on Twitter? Even called for an audit in regards to the Frack money. Good for him!
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fanatic13 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:34 pm I still think we should try to schedule home and home games with teams. I'd rather play Oakland and Wright st twice in a year than two d2 schools. Practice playing a second game against a school because it's going to happen 7 in mac play.

Also would like to see some Missouri valley schools like Indiana St
I like this idea, and there are more than enough teams right around this region that would easily fill an OOC schedule with good competition. And that's just the mid majors -- I'm not even talking about any of the big guys.
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hammb wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:17 pm
fanatic13 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:34 pm I still think we should try to schedule home and home games with teams. I'd rather play Oakland and Wright st twice in a year than two d2 schools. Practice playing a second game against a school because it's going to happen 7 in mac play.

Also would like to see some Missouri valley schools like Indiana St
I would have zero issues with that.

Huger's OOC scheduling habits should be considered a fireable offense irregardless of the actual results. IT is insane to me that he gets to continue spending Bill Frack's money, that was specifically earmarked for playing better OOC games, and play these schedules every year.

It's a total slap in the face to fans. Who the hell actually wants to watch these games?
Last marquee game was 2015 vs. Cincinnati. Quite obvious the money is going towards the operations side of things, and I'm willing to bet those in charge of the Frack estate probably don't care what the money is used for, so long as it's going towards men's basketball. But the spirit of the gift has been violated ever since Moosbrugger was hired. Someone truly needs to ask this to President Rogers whenever the new AD is hired.
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jpfalcon09 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:46 am
hammb wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:17 pm
fanatic13 wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:34 pm I still think we should try to schedule home and home games with teams. I'd rather play Oakland and Wright st twice in a year than two d2 schools. Practice playing a second game against a school because it's going to happen 7 in mac play.

Also would like to see some Missouri valley schools like Indiana St
I would have zero issues with that.

Huger's OOC scheduling habits should be considered a fireable offense irregardless of the actual results. IT is insane to me that he gets to continue spending Bill Frack's money, that was specifically earmarked for playing better OOC games, and play these schedules every year.

It's a total slap in the face to fans. Who the hell actually wants to watch these games?
Last marquee game was 2015 vs. Cincinnati. Quite obvious the money is going towards the operations side of things, and I'm willing to bet those in charge of the Frack estate probably don't care what the money is used for, so long as it's going towards men's basketball. But the spirit of the gift has been violated ever since Moosbrugger was hired. Someone truly needs to ask this to President Rogers whenever the new AD is hired.
When I started asking people like Strack & Briggs about it they did some digging. If you go back to Briggs' article in March on the subject the foundation that oversees the Frack gift/endowment says that BGSU has always provided the proper paperwork to show the money is going to the right places. The fund is going to paying higher coach salaries, keeping players with the proper gear and technology, 1 long travel tournament/international tournament every 4 years, and using charter planes rather than busses for long distance mid-week games in conference.

I would also be willing to bet that there is a stipulation that they have to play a "Frack challenge" game every year, since they still waste our time calling some random home game a year the Bill Frack challenge.

The problem, for good or bad, is not that they aren't using the money the way it was earmarked, I'm sure they're doing everything to make sure the accounting lines up so they keep the money. The problem is they're not doing it wisely or within the spirit of the gift.

Paying Huger the same contract Jans got, then giving him a raise. Sure, in theory higher coaching salaries means better coaching, or you could take a random bum of the street and give him a big contract...still the Frack money, but not spending it wisely.

Their equipment budget in recent years has been over $100k. FOR BASKETBALL. A sport with 15 athletes that basically need shoes, balls, and clothes to get around, yet they're spending over $6500/player? Sure, again, it's how the Frack money was supposed to be spent, but seems excessive, no?

The recruiting budget is also very large, larger than most MAC schools. I'm sure that's within the framework of spending the gift as well. But WHY? We basically don't recruit Ohio, while our MAC brethren do, and instead we fly our coaches all over the country. We've even often lauded Huger for being a good recruiter, again with his budget he SHOULD be, but looking at it I think we're giving him far too much credit. Early on, he did have success...Wiggins, Turner, and Plowden all made multiple All-MAC teams. But we haven't added a single All-MAC player since Plowden (5 recruiting classes ago); haven't seen this year's class yet, but none of the return players look like future All-MAC guys to me.


Money is a wonderful thing. It absolutely does (AND SHOULD) raise the bar of expectations for the program. But when you spend it like drunken sailors just because you have it, it is simply wasted. THey have absolutely not held up their end of the bargain with regards to using that money to improve OOC scheduling. And where they have held up their end of the bargain on equipment/recruiting/coaching expenditures they're not getting nearly enough for the money they're spending.
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Ask President Rogers to explain on the behalf of Bob Moosbrugger and Kit Hughes the Men's Basketball expenses in this particular audit.

https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Rep ... 9-Wood.pdf
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guest44 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:41 am Ask President Rogers to explain on the behalf of Bob Moosbrugger and Kit Hughes the Men's Basketball expenses in this particular audit.

https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Rep ... 9-Wood.pdf
15 athletes, $116k on equipment. For basketball.

Meanwhile 100 football players (a sport requiring full pads, etc) spent only $450k

So it costs ~ $3k more per athlete to gear up for basketball than football? OK....

$138k on recruiting for a class that brought in Zeigler from Cleveland and Turner from Detroit.
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That recruiting budget. I'd love to see the travel receipts for that recruiting season. Don't forget the cost to travel to Poe Rd. to recruit Elsasser.
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Just saw some other MAC programs non-conference schedules. Even more embarrassing to see what BG is doing.

NIU

@Gonzaga
@Northwestern
@VCU
@Northern Iowa
@Indiana St

WMU

@ Minnesota
@ Valpo
@ Dayton
@ Iowa State
@ Wisconsin

Ridiculous.
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jpfalcon09 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:02 am Just saw some other MAC programs non-conference schedules. Even more embarrassing to see what BG is doing.

NIU

@Gonzaga
@Northwestern
@VCU
@Northern Iowa
@Indiana St

WMU

@ Minnesota
@ Valpo
@ Dayton
@ Iowa State
@ Wisconsin

Ridiculous.
IT has gone WAY past the ability to excuse it saying "Scheduling in the MAC is hard!"

It is just blatantly obvious that they want to schedule themselves a bunch of easy wins and artificially inflate their record. The home schedule is a joke every freaking year.
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hammb wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:38 am
guest44 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:41 am Ask President Rogers to explain on the behalf of Bob Moosbrugger and Kit Hughes the Men's Basketball expenses in this particular audit.

https://ohioauditor.gov/auditsearch/Rep ... 9-Wood.pdf
15 athletes, $116k on equipment. For basketball.

Meanwhile 100 football players (a sport requiring full pads, etc) spent only $450k

So it costs ~ $3k more per athlete to gear up for basketball than football? OK....

$138k on recruiting for a class that brought in Zeigler from Cleveland and Turner from Detroit.
I'm sorry...but that seems really really off. Reece's dad said on this forum last year that the kids don't even get that much gear. I would really love to see EXACTLY where that money is spent. It doesn't smell right
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jpfalcon09 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:02 am Just saw some other MAC programs non-conference schedules. Even more embarrassing to see what BG is doing.

NIU

@Gonzaga
@Northwestern
@VCU
@Northern Iowa
@Indiana St

WMU

@ Minnesota
@ Valpo
@ Dayton
@ Iowa State
@ Wisconsin

Ridiculous.
Here's also a look at Ohio's schedule:

at Belmont
vs Cleveland State
at Detroit
at Michigan
vs Eastern Illinois
vs Alabama State
at Marshall
at Youngstown State
vs Steston
vs Chicago State

Each and every one of their opponents are D-I teams, and many of them are regionally from conferences on similar footing as the MAC. This is what BG should be doing.
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While good on NIU for that road schedule OOC, they stuck their fans with a home OOC schedule of two non-D1 schools and Albany

As mentioned earlier, with so many local schools around in the area MAC schools should be able to produce solid home and road OOC schedules
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BGFalconfromCincy wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:38 pm While good on NIU for that road schedule OOC, they stuck their fans with a home OOC schedule of two non-D1 schools and Albany

As mentioned earlier, with so many local schools around in the area MAC schools should be able to produce solid home and road OOC schedules
Easily. And enough regional P5 teams to schedule a few road games that people can attend. I don't understand how you expect to improve your roster when playing equal or inferior talent for a majority of the non-con slate. Coaching staff mantra seems to be that they want their record to visually look good when entering into MAC play.
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jpfalcon09 wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:43 pm
BGFalconfromCincy wrote: Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:38 pm While good on NIU for that road schedule OOC, they stuck their fans with a home OOC schedule of two non-D1 schools and Albany

As mentioned earlier, with so many local schools around in the area MAC schools should be able to produce solid home and road OOC schedules
Easily. And enough regional P5 teams to schedule a few road games that people can attend. I don't understand how you expect to improve your roster when playing equal or inferior talent for a majority of the non-con slate. Coaching staff mantra seems to be that they want their record to visually look good when entering into MAC play.
That's how you tout a winning record and the first back to back 20 win seasons in 50 yrs or whatever while still being 10 games under .500 in MAC play for your career...
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Men's Basketball scheduling under Huger is an abomination! But then again, so is the play of the team, unless Justin Turner was in the line-up.
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