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[Flipper]

LOve to see us win out or go 3-1...but CMU is awful and we played so sloppy ...almost 200 yds in penalties...but..the next few weeks could be a real fun ride

[OptionQB]

I'm not advocating for Healy although I do find it interesting he went 0-11 in his first year and 8-4 in the second, his best as a head coach. He's pretty well thought of even tho he hasn't had a great deal of sustained success.

Kehres would be close to the top of my list . . .

My favorite in the clubhouse would be Lenoir Rhyne HC Mike Jacobs.
-Former HC at Notre Dame College (D-2 in Cleveland) . . . Lost in national semi's a couple years back
-Former OSU OL
-Still only 42-43 years old . . . Graduated OSU in 2001

[Flipper]

Jacbs sounds a little Tom Arth...maybe a notch above. But we still have a coach whoo has an outsde shot at the division title...so let's see how it plays out

[Tony4BG]

Arizona St - Herm Edwards out
Auburn - Bryan Harsin out
Charlotte - Will Healy out
Colorado - Karl Dorrell out
Georgia Tech - Geoff Collins out
Nebraska - Scott Frost out
UAB - Bill Clark out
Wisconsin - Paul Chryst out

[BillyLP]

Insane firing a coach in year two. What delusion in Auburn.

[jpfalcon09]

Insane firing a coach in year two. What delusion in Auburn.

What's insane are these buyouts. More money being spent on fired CFB coaches than some countries have GDP. Awful look against the backdrop of inflation and the struggles a lot of people are going through at the moment. The sport is so messed up from so many different perspectives.

[Tony4BG]

As of now. $15.5 million to Harsin and $22.5 million to Malzhan.

Also, $5 million to Kevin Steele.

Crazy buyouts for them.

[Falcon Commander]

Auburn has paid roughly $37 million in football head coach buyouts in the past 687 days.
That's ~$54,900 per day.

[hammb]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys. Those numbers are insane for BGSU.

For a place like Auburn, it makes perfect sense. Auburn can win; it's maybe not the upper tier of the SEC, but it can certainly be a contender occasionally. WIth the dollars they get from their TV contracts (and presumably from donors as well) there is almost no amount of money that makes it a bad play to jettison a coach who isn't going to win.

College football is a complete abomination these days. The haves have too much to even fathom spending. The have nots cannot hope to compete. I don't know what the solution is, there's just too much damned money involved for some of these guys and that's never changing.

[BillyLP]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys. Those numbers are insane for BGSU.

For a place like Auburn, it makes perfect sense. Auburn can win; it's maybe not the upper tier of the SEC, but it can certainly be a contender occasionally. WIth the dollars they get from their TV contracts (and presumably from donors as well) there is almost no amount of money that makes it a bad play to jettison a coach who isn't going to win.

College football is a complete abomination these days. The haves have too much to even fathom spending. The have nots cannot hope to compete. I don't know what the solution is, there's just too much damned money involved for some of these guys and that's never changing.

It took a long time for me to get here, but I'm becoming more attracted to the idea of the "haves" splitting off and doing their own thing while leaving the real college football to schools in the MAC, C-USA, MWC, etc. Basically creating a new division between the FCS and the Power 5.

[mbenecke]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys. Those numbers are insane for BGSU.

For a place like Auburn, it makes perfect sense. Auburn can win; it's maybe not the upper tier of the SEC, but it can certainly be a contender occasionally. WIth the dollars they get from their TV contracts (and presumably from donors as well) there is almost no amount of money that makes it a bad play to jettison a coach who isn't going to win.

College football is a complete abomination these days. The haves have too much to even fathom spending. The have nots cannot hope to compete. I don't know what the solution is, there's just too much damned money involved for some of these guys and that's never changing.

It took a long time for me to get here, but I'm becoming more attracted to the idea of the "haves" splitting off and doing their own thing while leaving the real college football to schools in the MAC, C-USA, MWC, etc. Basically creating a new division between the FCS and the Power 5.

I'm coming around on this idea, as well. I also think there are a handful (ish) of P5 programs that would rather stick with the college football than going on to be the NFL's minor league. Places like Rutgers, Purdue, Wake Forest, etc. that aren't glamorous college football brands right now but could be considered the "top" of this new league would have to at least consider it, since it would allow them a more even playing field instead of constantly having the deck stacked against them. At least, I would consider it if it was me in that position.

[BillyLP]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys. Those numbers are insane for BGSU.

For a place like Auburn, it makes perfect sense. Auburn can win; it's maybe not the upper tier of the SEC, but it can certainly be a contender occasionally. WIth the dollars they get from their TV contracts (and presumably from donors as well) there is almost no amount of money that makes it a bad play to jettison a coach who isn't going to win.

College football is a complete abomination these days. The haves have too much to even fathom spending. The have nots cannot hope to compete. I don't know what the solution is, there's just too much damned money involved for some of these guys and that's never changing.

It took a long time for me to get here, but I'm becoming more attracted to the idea of the "haves" splitting off and doing their own thing while leaving the real college football to schools in the MAC, C-USA, MWC, etc. Basically creating a new division between the FCS and the Power 5.

I'm coming around on this idea, as well. I also think there are a handful (ish) of P5 programs that would rather stick with the college football than going on to be the NFL's minor league. Places like Rutgers, Purdue, Wake Forest, etc. that aren't glamorous college football brands right now but could be considered the "top" of this new league would have to at least consider it, since it would allow them a more even playing field instead of constantly having the deck stacked against them. At least, I would consider it if it was me in that position.

Interesting thing to think about is who might move "up" and who might stick with a Group of 5 league. At first glance I would think move ups would be Houston, Cincinnati, BYU, UCF (who are all going to the Big 12 anyway) along with San Diego State and East Carolina. I don't think any school would choose to stay down because of the potential $$$, but ones who may not be invited could be Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Washington State, Boston College, Kansas, and *maybe* Wake Forest (even though they are a perennial top 25 now with Clawson).

I also think a relegation system like European football could be intriguing. Worst team in each conference gets relegated from P5 to G5 and top four teams in G5 move up. It would never happen, but how fun would that be?

[Schadenfreude]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys.

We do, though. We have since the 1960s, and I wouldn't have it any other way. These Power 5 programs may outspend us, but it's still 11 on 11, and Bowling Green has always managed to win some of these games. Ask P.J. Fleck.

[jpfalcon09]

That's where it becomes a joke to say we play at the same level of football as these guys. Those numbers are insane for BGSU.

For a place like Auburn, it makes perfect sense. Auburn can win; it's maybe not the upper tier of the SEC, but it can certainly be a contender occasionally. WIth the dollars they get from their TV contracts (and presumably from donors as well) there is almost no amount of money that makes it a bad play to jettison a coach who isn't going to win.

College football is a complete abomination these days. The haves have too much to even fathom spending. The have nots cannot hope to compete. I don't know what the solution is, there's just too much damned money involved for some of these guys and that's never changing.

It took a long time for me to get here, but I'm becoming more attracted to the idea of the "haves" splitting off and doing their own thing while leaving the real college football to schools in the MAC, C-USA, MWC, etc. Basically creating a new division between the FCS and the Power 5.

I see it a bit differently I guess. With the expanding playoff and access finally for the highest ranked G5 conference winner there's a least a bone being thrown to the little guys to finally be invited to the party. Firmly believe this is why BGSU wants to still invest in football as it can be argued it's an attainable goal under the right circumstances. Had the playoff been kept strictly to the P5 then I'd agree breaking away from the current construct of college football would be in everyone's best interest.

Looking back, the 2012 MAC Championship had two nationally ranked teams vying for essentially what would have been the G5 playoff spot. Same for 2003. WMU would have been in the expanded playoff in 2016. It's remote it happens again but there's at least evidence from past seasons that BGSU (or another MAC program) could occupy that slot. I think everyone here would be pretty damn proud to see Bowling Green's name in the CFB, even if it meant going up against the likes of an Alabama or Clemson.

Frankly no one is going to care about a mid-tier national champion if it has no bearing on the greater landscape of college football. Would honestly be smarter to cut football altogether and commit that capital to other sports.

[Schadenfreude]

Looking back, the 2012 MAC Championship had two nationally ranked teams vying for essentially what would have been the G5 playoff spot. Same for 2003. WMU would have been in the expanded playoff in 2016. It's remote it happens again but there's at least evidence from past seasons that BGSU (or another MAC program) could occupy that slot.

Agree with all this. Other seasons that come to mind are 1999 (Marshall), 1995 (Toledo), 1985 (Bowling Green) and pretty much any MAC champion from the early 1970s.

I would add that the playoff probably gets too much attention. Generations of college football fans lived without one. The focus back then was more simple: Try to win your conference. Try to cap it off with a bowl win. Try to work your way into and up the AP or UPI (USA Today) Top 25 lists.

I guess it's old fashioned, but that's still how I look at Bowling Green football. These goals are still achievable.