at Toledo (11/15)

[BPardonMyTake]

I apologize if someone already asked. I think 24 pages of comments is the most I’ve ever seen on here lol.


Strack tweeted loeffler deserves an extension and seems like the comments are split 50/50. Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, agree or disagree with that? Honestly just curious to hear All your thoughts on whether or not Loeffler’s track record vs Toledo/ overall program improvement to this point warrants an extension or not. Me personally, I definitely see both sides. My immediate/short thoughts are:

We’re in the mix for a chance to win a mac title year 4 as i believe he said he would accomplish when he got hired. That is good.


Two 30+ point conference losses that will more than likely cause us to come up short at said title. That is not good.


Again, I apologize if this was discussed. I will begin my search now but if anyone knows the page numbers let me know!

[hammb]

I apologize if someone already asked. I think 24 pages of comments is the most I’ve ever seen on here lol.


Strack tweeted loeffler deserves an extension and seems like the comments are split 50/50. Out of pure curiosity and nothing else, agree or disagree with that? Honestly just curious to hear All your thoughts on whether or not Loeffler’s track record vs Toledo/ overall program improvement to this point warrants an extension or not. Me personally, I definitely see both sides. My immediate/short thoughts are:

We’re in the mix for a chance to win a mac title year 4 as i believe he said he would accomplish when he got hired. That is good.



Two 30+ point conference losses that will more than likely cause us to come up short at said title. That is not good.


Again, I apologize if this was discussed. I will begin my search now but if anyone knows the page numbers let me know!

Yeah, miss me with that Jordan. Loeffler has done enough to earn a return to campus, but I'm not handing out more extensions.

Strack is a good dude, but like many his bar for BGSU athletics is ridiculously low. I don't know why. SO many people are like, "Oh the coach hasn't been caught violating horses with the AD's daughter, so give 'em a raise". I realize our budgets put special constraints on BGSU, but I expect more than the once in 4 years .500 record. Beating UT is fantastic. But talking extension today is akin to to proposing to the off/on girlfriend who surprised you with a frisky night in bed after a drinking bender.

[Bgsu2016]

I think the frustration with our coach is the inconsistency of the team. We beat a good Marshall team as well as the MAC title favorite this year yet lost to Eastern Kentucky in OT and Kent State by 34.

[cameron]

I agree with Hammb. Firing talks are off the table now…but extension seems premature. See how the beginning of next year goes. If we start off really well, then you do what you need to do. Now, if they qualify and then go up to Detroit and win the MAC, maybe you move that timeline up. For now though, everything should be focused on finishing the season strong. Contracts can wait.

[guest44]

Bob Moosbrugger would have done exactly what Jordan Strack tweeted. Thankfully, Bob is just on Twitter these days. Scot Loeffler is in no more demand today than he was on Monday. Scot Loeffler still has incentives in his current contract that winning against Ohio should keep him plenty motivated. Offering Scot Loeffler an extension this summer is negotiating against yourself. It’s doing BGSU a disservice. He is the highest paid employee at the school. Make him perform to that standard. Now going forward, base his performance off reality and not the lowest standard possible. The lowest standard that Kingston and Con Man Hughes created, and Moosbrugger enabled.

[mbenecke]

You can’t let a guy coach on the last year of his contract. He wouldn’t be able to recruit.

If he’s staying next year, it’ll be because he signed a short-term (1-2 years max, I would hope) extension with a low buyout that we can fairly easily get out of. Then, if he were to prove himself next year that we can follow up on one pretty solid season with another (or better), then he would probably get something longer term.

I think if he’s going to be our coach next year, it just can’t be on the final year of his deal. That’s too dangerous for the future of the program. If he’s sticking around, give him a short extension, and let him prove it again. If things go south, cut the cord.

[guest44]

Why couldn't a coach recruit in the final year of his contract? I'd argue Loeffler has shown his best work in the most pressure packed, butt on the line situations. A quick rebuild has never been easier. The transfer portal makes long coaching contracts schools can't afford, make even less sense. What percentage of the high school kids Loeffler recurits will last past 3 years at Bowling Green? How many current players at BGSU have any clue what Scot Loeffler's contract is? They wouldn't want them to know it. They certainly wouldn't want them to see the bonuses. This isn't Ohio State. It's Mid-American Conference football. A conference who willingly whores it's best product to Tuesday and Wednesday nights. The idea that Bowling Green needs to provide a 13-27 football coach anything more than it has is laughable. Bowling Green State University provides Scot Loeffler 12 games a year for 5 years to audition for every other school that can actually afford to pay him more money. The exact second Scot Loeffler would ever have a better option, BGSU is an after thought. Just like Meyer, Clawson, and Babers before him. Until then, let the highest paid employee of BGSU coach his highest paid employee contract. Loeffler himself said championship in Year 5, let's see it.

Dangerous to the program? Where is Loeffler going to go? If he leaves would you not take your chances you could upgrade the postion?

[hammb]

They have twice screwed the hoops team over with Lame Duck seasons, and in the end it was just a wasted season as a fan (knew they weren't "building" anything), but most fans of that program are VERY used to wasted seasons at this point.

With the current transfer portal rules you're not recruiting kids to be 4 year Falcons anymore anyhow. Your good recruits will leave, the ones who don't pan out you're mostly looking to replace through the portal yourself anyhow.

At this point whether you give SL an extension or not is irrelevant. You know going in that he's on a "prove it" year. The kids that care about such things know that as well. Unless you're going to do something crazy stupid and give him another 3-4 years (which is what the old hat would do), a small extension does nothing to help recruiting and merely costs BG more money if this one year of mediocrity ends up being the ceiling.

If he'd call offensive games like the UT one on a routine basis maybe I'd be ok giving him an extension. Why you wait until the 11th game of the season to actually attempt playing offensive football is beyond me.

[Beaker]

I don't think you make any decisions until the season is complete. We presumably have 2 more games to play. I think the feeling would be much different if those are 2 wins vs if they are 2 blowout losses where the team repeats the Kent State game.

Assuming we don't implode and look like a jr. high school team these next couple of games, the solution in a perfect and imaginary world would be that you sign him to 2024 at the end of this season, but with trigger language in it that says this 2024 contract becomes null and void if specific performance objectives (wins) are not met in the 2023 season. Make that 2024 contract low on base salary but potentially as big as we could possibly afford if bonuses are paid out for performance objectives being met - winning record pays bonus of (a), winning the east pays bonus of (b), winning the conference pays bonus of (c) and so on. I know these types of incentives are already in coaches contracts, but it would be nice from the school's perspective to further shift the balance of the bulk of money away from guaranteed salary and toward an incentive basis. If a contract like that were possible you minimize whatever recruiting impact leaving a guy hanging in his last contract year could potentially have and you get the school off the hook for any future payouts if next season is a crash and burn. Like I said, in a perfect and imaginary world. I've never heard of any contract like that ever being done but if it were to be possible, it would have to be with a coach who has no leverage at all, who's in a position of taking the deal or being told to pack his bags and he doesn't have any other better options.

[jpfalcon09]

Why couldn't a coach recruit in the final year of his contract?

Really? Competing programs would have a field day with this. Would be way too easy for a fellow MAC school (or whomever) to sell a high school senior or portal candidate away from BG because the coach has no future. That would be malpractice on BGSU's part to cripple the football program.

What percentage of the high school kids Loeffler recurits will last past 3 years at Bowling Green? How many current players at BGSU have any clue what Scot Loeffler's contract is? They wouldn't want them to know it. They certainly wouldn't want them to see the bonuses.

Scot's contract is public information. Took me 20 seconds to google it. He's even getting bonuses for this year. Imagine that.

The idea that Bowling Green needs to provide a 13-27 football coach anything more than it has is laughable. Bowling Green State University provides Scot Loeffler 12 games a year for 5 years to audition for every other school that can actually afford to pay him more money. The exact second Scot Loeffler would ever have a better option, BGSU is an after thought. Just like Meyer, Clawson, and Babers before him. Until then, let the highest paid employee of BGSU coach his highest paid employee contract. Loeffler himself said championship in Year 5, let's see it.

Scot owes BGSU money if he leaves early. Re-negotiate it if he's given an extension and chooses to jump ship. Easy solution.



I think the new AD is smart and he'll properly assess what the next steps are. There is still one regular season game to play and at least one postseason game, possibly two. We'll see how the season ends. A lot ultimately depends on that.

[roguewarrior]

Why couldn't a coach recruit in the final year of his contract? I'd argue Loeffler has shown his best work in the most pressure packed, butt on the line situations. A quick rebuild has never been easier. The transfer portal makes long coaching contracts schools can't afford, make even less sense. What percentage of the high school kids Loeffler recurits will last past 3 years at Bowling Green? How many current players at BGSU have any clue what Scot Loeffler's contract is? They wouldn't want them to know it. They certainly wouldn't want them to see the bonuses. This isn't Ohio State. It's Mid-American Conference football. A conference who willingly whores it's best product to Tuesday and Wednesday nights. The idea that Bowling Green needs to provide a 13-27 football coach anything more than it has is laughable. Bowling Green State University provides Scot Loeffler 12 games a year for 5 years to audition for every other school that can actually afford to pay him more money. The exact second Scot Loeffler would ever have a better option, BGSU is an after thought. Just like Meyer, Clawson, and Babers before him. Until then, let the highest paid employee of BGSU coach his highest paid employee contract. Loeffler himself said championship in Year 5, let's see it.

Dangerous to the program? Where is Loeffler going to go? If he leaves would you not take your chances you could upgrade the postion?

Dead on. Most of us are at will employees, with NO parachute. Next year he can coach, earn a living and his results will dictate his next contract run-here or elsewhere. He deserves that opportunity-and he also deserves to have to prove it next year under some pressure.

[guest44]

Ya I bet Akron is really worried about Scot Loeffler’s contract? The MAC East hasn’t had a field day recruiting in 15 years regardless of any situation. Under those circumstances Frank Solich should have won nearly every division title since he could recruit against coaches leaving and getting fired constantly, and everyone knew he was a lifer. Most of these MAC coaches are worried about finding quarterbacks that can complete forward passes these days. The MAC is littered with below average coaches and BG has one of them. The next Leipold or Fleck or go on down the list will come along and flush it all out once again. Until then it might just be the first team that finds a good quarterback.

[jpfalcon09]

Why couldn't a coach recruit in the final year of his contract? I'd argue Loeffler has shown his best work in the most pressure packed, butt on the line situations. A quick rebuild has never been easier. The transfer portal makes long coaching contracts schools can't afford, make even less sense. What percentage of the high school kids Loeffler recurits will last past 3 years at Bowling Green? How many current players at BGSU have any clue what Scot Loeffler's contract is? They wouldn't want them to know it. They certainly wouldn't want them to see the bonuses. This isn't Ohio State. It's Mid-American Conference football. A conference who willingly whores it's best product to Tuesday and Wednesday nights. The idea that Bowling Green needs to provide a 13-27 football coach anything more than it has is laughable. Bowling Green State University provides Scot Loeffler 12 games a year for 5 years to audition for every other school that can actually afford to pay him more money. The exact second Scot Loeffler would ever have a better option, BGSU is an after thought. Just like Meyer, Clawson, and Babers before him. Until then, let the highest paid employee of BGSU coach his highest paid employee contract. Loeffler himself said championship in Year 5, let's see it.

Dangerous to the program? Where is Loeffler going to go? If he leaves would you not take your chances you could upgrade the postion?

Dead on. Most of us are at will employees, with NO parachute. Next year he can coach, earn a living and his results will dictate his next contract run-here or elsewhere. He deserves that opportunity-and he also deserves to have to prove it next year under some pressure.

Valid point. I'm sure Scot's agent will be meeting with DVDM and President Rogers about this. Bowl eligibility typically equals an extension of some sort if a coach is near the end of his term. Letting it ride would certainly be a calculated risk.

[Flipper]

We're in a tough spot. Team improved this year...but it could have been and probably should have been better. Not being ready to play against Kent and Buffalo and losing to EKU ruined what could have been a really good year...in at least one of those losses the HC took the blame.

We probably aren't going to fire him...but if we want the program to improve....given the persistent issues with the offense, on field discipline and the rumors of behind the scenes issues...shouldn't it be on the table?

If OU beats us convincingly and we make a bowl and get fustigated...does that outweigh six wins? Is Scot Loeffler Jim Caldwell in Detroit? Get's the team to a playoff appearance or two and loses in rd one? Caldwell got let go because he had hit a perceived ceiling...is this Loeffler's perceived ceiling? I kinda think so...offense underperforms and his insistence in keeping it and Matt McDonald around...perhaps in 2023!...leads me to say yes.

Of course...Matt Patricia followed Caldwell in Detroit...so yo definitely need to be careful what you wish for...

[guest44]

If you ever need examples of what rewarding low standards and levels below mediocrity look like, look no further than BGSU Basketball. It’s been that way since the early 1980’s and it’s being rewarded more today than ever, thanks to Bill Frack.