Ebay Item

MajorFalcon92 · Post by **MajorFalcon92** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:24 am

I am sure this item will get some comments posted.

I did not see it discussed elsewhere, so I apologize if it already has been posted.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 46231&rd=1

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:40 am

WHAT!?

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:42 am

Ummmm....is this legal?

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:00 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:Ummmm....is this legal?

I believe selling a playbook is perfectly legal, however the means to obtain them usually is not legal.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 11:14 am

UK Peregrine wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:Ummmm....is this legal?
I believe selling a playbook is perfectly legal, however the means to obtain them usually is not legal.

Well, if thats the case, it is illegal to sell stolen property, so...

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:22 pm

SaxyIrishTenor wrote:
UK Peregrine wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:Ummmm....is this legal?
I believe selling a playbook is perfectly legal, however the means to obtain them usually is not legal.
Well, if thats the case, it is illegal to sell stolen property, so...

However, he's not selling the actual playbook, he's selling a PDF version of the playbook, an electronic copy. So it's really more a matter of intellectual property than stolen goods. Hence, the legal question has more to do with the intellectual property protection offered to such items.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:23 pm

1987alum wrote:
SaxyIrishTenor wrote:
UK Peregrine wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:Ummmm....is this legal?
I believe selling a playbook is perfectly legal, however the means to obtain them usually is not legal.
Well, if thats the case, it is illegal to sell stolen property, so...
However, he's not selling the actual playbook, he's selling a PDF version of the playbook, an electronic copy. So it's really more a matter of intellectual property than stolen goods. Hence, the legal question has more to do with the intellectual property protection offered to such items.

And I don't think I'd be going out on too far of a limb to say that Urban likely never copyrighted that playbook

bgsuman · Post by **bgsuman** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:25 pm

I googled his email address and found some info on another forum about the seller:

I am currently a student coach at a high school. I did however coach youth football for three years in an inner city program. Being that I did coach inner city kids I did not meet more than 3 player's parents. The question I have is... This year I took around 60 pictures taken throughout our season and scaned and placed them to a powerpoint program as slides. I then created a timed slide show and organized music selections to this video. I then copy the presentation over to a VHS format and dub in the audio. The finished product is a video yearbook for your football team. I made these up this year and sold them to my players. I know that every year photographers offer bundles of packets for team pictures and parent eat them up. If something like this was offered in your area do you feel the parents of a little league team would be interested in purchasing one for $10? I am trying to get feedback before I offer it to our rec leagues here in town for the baseball and next years football. I also did a highlight tape add in. I did cut-ups of the season on video and added it in. I will also after the first of the year be able to place these yearbooks on DVD. They will sell for a little more because of the high price of DVD-R disks. Please reply with your imput. Thank you."

from here:
http://eteamz.active.com/football/board ... splay=flat

PGY Tiercel · Post by **PGY Tiercel** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:28 pm

Yeah, I don't think it would be undercopy right or Trade secrets laws. If so it would be yanked by the U's lawyers that heads would spin. Examply MAC is cracking down on some internet "journalists" for publishing material illegally obtained, and getting court approval to do so. My fraternity quickly had interet sites with our ritual posted yanked almost immediatly of it going up, on the grounds of trade secrets. So if it was really a big deal, it would be gone.

bgsuman · Post by **bgsuman** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:32 pm

LOL, check this one out...same guy

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... eName=WDVW

A Playbook presentation of the Urban Meyer Utah Offense

and listed in his listing:
1.
1999 Oklahoma Offense Playbook
2.
2003 New England Offense Playbook
3.
2002 Bowling Green Offense Playbook
4.
Tampa Bay Bucs Defense Playbook
5.
BYU West Coast Offense Playbook
6.
Mike Emendorfer Complete Spread Game
7.
Mouse Davis Run and Shoot Playbook

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:42 pm

"This presentation was assembled after hours of breaking down game film and installation tapes from games of Urban Meyer's Offense both when he was at Bowling Green and at Utah from the years 2002-2004."

Definitely making the PDF files himself as well. Are we all believe what we see on the internet again folks?

bgsuman · Post by **bgsuman** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:43 pm

McMetz811 wrote:"This presentation was assembled after hours of breaking down game film and installation tapes from games of Urban Meyer's Offense both when he was at Bowling Green and at Utah from the years 2002-2004."

Definitely making the PDF files himself as well. Are we all believe what we see on the internet again folks?

yeah, most likely not the REAL thing....his interpretation in fact..

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:56 pm

Have we yet determined if the seller is a fellow named Lou West?

golfertk14 · Post by **golfertk14** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:32 am

I saw this for sale a while back, when I looked at that Mercy Bowl Pennant that was posted on eBay.