roguewarrior wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:24 am
Talk of us losing some big pieces of the puzzle after the bowl game….
That would be a really terrible idea, on their part.
The portal will have been open for 3 weeks by the time we play the bowl game. Lots of opportunities will already be gone after the bowl game. If they wanted to move up when they move on, they should be looking to do that immediately. Just reality now.
mbenecke wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:26 pm
1,331 players are in the portal, 858 from FBS schools.
This turnover is simply insane.
Further, there's a lot of criticism of schools not recruiting as many high school players nowadays, but how in the hell can they properly recruit high school kids with the high volume of eligible departures that programs are losing every year for so many schools. Schools are often left with gaping holes in area they weren't even suppose to have a need. They are essentially forced to fill the transfer portal losses with transfer portal additions. Recruiting boards were once used to show which positions will be future positional areas of need that you'd have to address in recruiting to have you prepared in two years where those voids would be. Nowadays, the areas of need can become immediate. You can't bank on anyone staying and it has a direct impact of how you assemble a roster.
Re: QB situation… I saw Own Bainbridge play several times , admittedly as a HS QB. While I wouldn’t categorize him as dual threat, he was pretty mobile, may times running for 1st downs etc. He’s got a strong arm, was injured part way through senior year so perhaps didn’t get the recognition that the Medina kid/ now PennSt. Did. Not saying he was equal ( I saw both play) but I’d like to see that QB development that Scot is supposed to have.
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roguewarrior wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:24 am
Talk of us losing some big pieces of the puzzle after the bowl game….
And this is exactly why I care less and less about college football - and college sports in general - each passing year nowadays, and also why we'll continue to spin our wheels trying to get back to the MACC. We can't rebuild or reloaded to try and pass the few teams in this league that retain their players when we have key ones ready to walk out the door here. These are the guys we're supposed to be building around. We're as close as we've been in 7 years, but it won't matter when core guys we're trying to build around leave. It's also why I recently stopped investing in some of our programs. Why should I give good, hard earned money to support these guys, only to see so many of them turn right around and walk away? Yeah, I know, they're "doing what's best for them," right? I get it. But then so I am by not financially supporting the deterioration of a game and sport I used to love.
As everything becomes more year to year, maybe these schools & administrators will use common sense and decrease the number of years in these coaching contracts. They’ve been asinine for several decades, but schools like BGSU, who cry no funds when it’s convenient, should use this to never give a coach a 5 year contract.
BGSU also gets more positive exposure for the university playing FBS football than it does in men's basketball. ESPN isn't paying the MAC for basketball content.
What is the true value of that mass exposure, showcasing empty stadiums? Versus focusing more on niche sports that see athletes competing in the Olympics, World Cup, etc? Which is going to actually attract more interest AND applications/attendance from prospective students?
And then you need to start asking about corporate sponsorships and advertising. IF a divisional change is made in one sport, how will that affect those? Will adding another sport attract enough new to offset that? What about actual fan donors?
I'll be the first to admit, I have none of those answers. As we've all seen before, none of those questions were asked or answered until after the fact with both Hockey and Baseball (yes, the hockey news came out before it actually went down, but it still applies). I don't think anybody here actually wants to see a downgrade made in football. Pretty sure most have dreams of BG being able to compete and win with the big dogs. I also know the collective here is smart enough to know the status quo isn't going to work much longer.
pdt1081 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:29 am
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BGSU also gets more positive exposure for the university playing FBS football than it does in men's basketball. ESPN isn't paying the MAC for basketball content.
And then you need to start asking about corporate sponsorships and advertising. IF a divisional change is made in one sport, how will that affect those? Will adding another sport attract enough new to offset that? What about actual fan donors?
Corporate sponsorships aren’t a priority and wouldn’t be regardless of what changes were made. Essentially BGSU hands Learfield 20% off all the revenue to handle the payment processing and allow BGSU to not have to deal with it. It’s another systematic do less situation. If they aren’t willing to fight for that 20% they aren’t going to take it any more serious regardless of the status of any of the BGSU sports.
roguewarrior wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:24 am
Talk of us losing some big pieces of the puzzle after the bowl game….
That would be a really terrible idea, on their part.
The portal will have been open for 3 weeks by the time we play the bowl game. Lots of opportunities will already be gone after the bowl game. If they wanted to move up when they move on, they should be looking to do that immediately. Just reality now.
There will no doubt be some painful life lessons learned by some who end up squandering a current scholarship opportunity and find themselves out of major collegiate football. Gen Z kids are wired differently and honestly lack a lot of the street smart skills of the previous generations, which often gets them in trouble. I've seen it personally with my 18-year old nephew who blew a scholarship opportunity at Cleveland State because he mailed in his senior year of high school. Even if I was in a situation where I was buried on a depth chart, if I was getting my education fully paid for it would be more than enough incentive to stick around and tough it out for another 2-3 years.
I honestly don't get it, but whatever. It isn't my life.
A couple of the BG names tossed around I referenced most certainly will end up somewhere, likely an upgrade. Others are more desperate, disenchanted, told they won’t play, whatever… they will likely not find a new situation. I still laugh that some here despise those that leave, and roll out the carpet for the kid we pick up. They are the same person….
roguewarrior wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:30 am
A couple of the BG names tossed around I referenced most certainly will end up somewhere, likely an upgrade. Others are more desperate, disenchanted, told they won’t play, whatever… they will likely not find a new situation. I still laugh that some here despise those that leave, and roll out the carpet for the kid we pick up. They are the same person….
It's because we, as a society, generally root for anyone on our team and cast out those that don't want to be a part of it.
But honestly, for me - I just want these kids to be successful. If you were a part of this program or this university community for one second, I want you to have success. Whether that means you're coming here from another school or leaving to pursue another opportunity, I'm just hoping it works out for you. I feel like that's the healthiest way to view it, so that's what I try to do.
(Unless you go from here up to Toledo - then you can take a hike! )
roguewarrior wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:30 am
A couple of the BG names tossed around I referenced most certainly will end up somewhere, likely an upgrade. Others are more desperate, disenchanted, told they won’t play, whatever… they will likely not find a new situation. I still laugh that some here despise those that leave, and roll out the carpet for the kid we pick up. They are the same person….
It's because we, as a society, generally root for anyone on our team and cast out those that don't want to be a part of it.
But honestly, for me - I just want these kids to be successful. If you were a part of this program or this university community for one second, I want you to have success. Whether that means you're coming here from another school or leaving to pursue another opportunity, I'm just hoping it works out for you. I feel like that's the healthiest way to view it, so that's what I try to do.
(Unless you go from here up to Toledo - then you can take a hike! )
I wish them all the best, coming or going. College football can be a nasty, nasty place behind the scenes. To make it thru 4 years and graduate from the same place is an amazing feat, as hard as that may be for some to handle.
I view it as the Dave Clawson 5 year rebuild method being outdated and ridiculous. I also view not upgrading the quarterback position from Matt McDonald using the transfer portal as reason #1 #2 and #3 why BGSU does not owe Loeffler a contract extension. The Clawson model worked for the same reason Dino Babers ever saw the ACC. Matt Johnson. It’s all talk until the qb gets upgraded or the MAC falls into such a suck you can win it without one. It’s getting close. This current coaching cycle should tell BGSU a lot. Loeffler is 13-29 against a conference of coaches nobody else wants.
I don't hold anyone's decision about their future against them...I'm a fan of BGSU athletics. If you're on our team, I want you to do well...if you coach our teams I hope you win. If you decide to move on as a player or coach because somewhere else looks like a better fit...I wish you well in your future endeavors. It's your life to live.
At our level...the five year model is done...over. I think it can apply to the P5...look at Harbaugh and Michigan. They really struggled under him initially, but he finally got his offense set, he got the defense to become Baltimore Ravens esque and he found a bona fide QB and they are now unquestionably one of the top programs in the nation.
It's become different here. This spring may tell us exactly how different it is here. Those diamond in the rough players we used to uncover can now say goodbye for a more lucrative and popular program without consequence.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
You can lose those diamond in the rough players that developed…. And the diamond in the rough players that managed to develop get cast aside for a kid they pick up and perceive as better. It goes both ways all the time.
DB Davon Ferguson is in the portal, looking to play a 6th season of college football. He played in 2 games for BG this year after being a really significant impact player last year. He had some issues while he was here, but I'll appreciate what he did in his time here.
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