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BillyLP wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:02 am
guest44 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:43 am Rogue…any idea how many more to go? Some of the offers these guys are getting obviously is going to tempt others.
I thought about that as well. Hard not to get big eyes when you see the offers Broden is getting, especially with his obvious underuse over the last two seasons.
I see Sims going . He was roommates with Broden and Anderson.
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Sims would hurt...we'll only have 18 TE's if he leaves
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Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:21 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
And we should be doing the same. Sleeper agents everywhere.

There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a capable starting QB by May 1st. And there is no reason we need one by January 3rd. Just follow all of the QB competitions at major schools...see who loses...send in the sleeper agent. You are going to get guys with one year of eligibility left who don't want to sit on a bench. Take Nebraska. They have 3 guys competing for 1 job. A JR who was highly recruited, a Xfer JR from GA Tech and a SR who started last year. 2 guys have to lose. The two incumbent Nebraska players should both be on their way out if they lose.

I am not going to argue that this coach has a good offense or is building a great scheme. But these xfers are really not a big deal so far.
You think BGSU can figure out sleeper agents? Now that is funny. They haven't gotten to 2015 yet.
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guest44 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:29 am
Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:21 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
And we should be doing the same. Sleeper agents everywhere.

There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a capable starting QB by May 1st. And there is no reason we need one by January 3rd. Just follow all of the QB competitions at major schools...see who loses...send in the sleeper agent. You are going to get guys with one year of eligibility left who don't want to sit on a bench. Take Nebraska. They have 3 guys competing for 1 job. A JR who was highly recruited, a Xfer JR from GA Tech and a SR who started last year. 2 guys have to lose. The two incumbent Nebraska players should both be on their way out if they lose.

I am not going to argue that this coach has a good offense or is building a great scheme. But these xfers are really not a big deal so far.
You think BGSU can figure out sleeper agents? Now that is funny. They haven't gotten to 2015 yet.
Tell me 007, the QB spot is open at BG?!? You mean I can take over a team with no returning o lineman and take deep drops waiting for excruciatingly complex routes to open up ? Sign me up!!
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Our coach is on Twitter begging kids with little or no interest from other programs to hit him up. That does not suggest that we have a robust secret agent program.
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Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:27 am Sims would hurt...we'll only have 18 TE's if he leaves
I assumed he was talking about the SIms who is a DB. I assumed Sims the TE was already gone.
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jpfalcon09 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:19 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
Yeah, it's ridiculous to fault the coaching staff for guys wanting to leave for bigger programs. If anything it's proof the staff is doing a decent job at developing individual talent. But it's an opportunity to swipe at Loeffler so people are taking it. We also don't know what is going on at other MAC schools regarding NIL and the like, and why some programs aren't seeing similar attrition. There's a lot of context to all this. A guy like Anders may simply want to go get his masters in his field at a different school. Maybe BG doesn't have a program for what he's interested in? I'm surely not going to fault a guy for choosing to go that route.
I'll take any chance I can get to swipe at Loeffler, no secret there. I think he's an absolutely horrid coach; specifically offensively which is supposed to be his "expertise".

That said, I'm not ever going to fault kids for leaving for better situations. I also don't put it entirely on the coaching staff, necessarily. I also agree with you that it is a GOOD sign that we're developing players.

Still, I have really big issues that we've got a WR getting offers from major players in the P5 that we got a whopping 500 yards from this year. While I do agree you're likely always going to lose the kids that have a chance to play at A&M or similar programs, it is also indisputable that A) losing all this talent that has eligibility remaining will hurt the 2023 season, and B) that many of our competitors in the MAC are not losing this much talent with eligibility remaining. Is it Loeffler's fault, necessarily? Maybe not, but I already had pretty low hopes for next season, and these things don't help.

Realistically, if they cannot find a QB that wants to come here and is ready to play at an All-MAC level, why would anybody with options WANT to stay here? This system is proven garbage. The program is not in a good place whether we get these portal kids back or not. It's a snowballing effect that we cannot get immediate contributors here because we're not ready to win, and we will likely lose our best returning players because we're not ready to win...

The writing is on the wall, AFAIC, that 2022 was the "peak" of the last rebuild and it's time to start rebuilding...AGAIN...
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roguewarrior wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:43 am
guest44 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:29 am
Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:21 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
And we should be doing the same. Sleeper agents everywhere.

There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a capable starting QB by May 1st. And there is no reason we need one by January 3rd. Just follow all of the QB competitions at major schools...see who loses...send in the sleeper agent. You are going to get guys with one year of eligibility left who don't want to sit on a bench. Take Nebraska. They have 3 guys competing for 1 job. A JR who was highly recruited, a Xfer JR from GA Tech and a SR who started last year. 2 guys have to lose. The two incumbent Nebraska players should both be on their way out if they lose.

I am not going to argue that this coach has a good offense or is building a great scheme. But these xfers are really not a big deal so far.
You think BGSU can figure out sleeper agents? Now that is funny. They haven't gotten to 2015 yet.
Tell me 007, the QB spot is open at BG?!? You mean I can take over a team with no returning o lineman and take deep drops waiting for excruciatingly complex routes to open up ? Sign me up!!
There are 140 Starting QB jobs in college football. Someone with some competence will want it. Just because disgruntled former players dad who has been disgruntled for the entirety of his existence on this board says it isn't the case doesn't make it logically not the case.

And they return 3 lineman and 6 overall with starting experience.
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Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:57 am Our coach is on Twitter begging kids with little or no interest from other programs to hit him up. That does not suggest that we have a robust secret agent program.
You need to sign up. You would be a great sleeper agent.
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hammb wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:17 am
jpfalcon09 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:19 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
Yeah, it's ridiculous to fault the coaching staff for guys wanting to leave for bigger programs. If anything it's proof the staff is doing a decent job at developing individual talent. But it's an opportunity to swipe at Loeffler so people are taking it. We also don't know what is going on at other MAC schools regarding NIL and the like, and why some programs aren't seeing similar attrition. There's a lot of context to all this. A guy like Anders may simply want to go get his masters in his field at a different school. Maybe BG doesn't have a program for what he's interested in? I'm surely not going to fault a guy for choosing to go that route.
I'll take any chance I can get to swipe at Loeffler, no secret there. I think he's an absolutely horrid coach; specifically offensively which is supposed to be his "expertise".

That said, I'm not ever going to fault kids for leaving for better situations. I also don't put it entirely on the coaching staff, necessarily. I also agree with you that it is a GOOD sign that we're developing players.

Still, I have really big issues that we've got a WR getting offers from major players in the P5 that we got a whopping 500 yards from this year. While I do agree you're likely always going to lose the kids that have a chance to play at A&M or similar programs, it is also indisputable that A) losing all this talent that has eligibility remaining will hurt the 2023 season, and B) that many of our competitors in the MAC are not losing this much talent with eligibility remaining. Is it Loeffler's fault, necessarily? Maybe not, but I already had pretty low hopes for next season, and these things don't help.

Realistically, if they cannot find a QB that wants to come here and is ready to play at an All-MAC level, why would anybody with options WANT to stay here? This system is proven garbage. The program is not in a good place whether we get these portal kids back or not. It's a snowballing effect that we cannot get immediate contributors here because we're not ready to win, and we will likely lose our best returning players because we're not ready to win...

The writing is on the wall, AFAIC, that 2022 was the "peak" of the last rebuild and it's time to start rebuilding...AGAIN...
The transfers shouldn't be the reasoning for the firing. The Offense should be. Also I would gladly-excitedly hand over the job to the list of candidates for WMU and Kent who didn't get the job.

Transfers happen.

We seem to have a program set in the stone age that is incapable of rebounding from transfers.
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Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:15 am
Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:27 am Sims would hurt...we'll only have 18 TE's if he leaves
I assumed he was talking about the SIms who is a DB. I assumed Sims the TE was already gone.
maybe theyre both gone
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Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:18 am
Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:57 am Our coach is on Twitter begging kids with little or no interest from other programs to hit him up. That does not suggest that we have a robust secret agent program.
You need to sign up. You would be a great sleeper agent.
I would be horrible at that...
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Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:18 am
roguewarrior wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:43 am
guest44 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:29 am
Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:21 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
And we should be doing the same. Sleeper agents everywhere.

There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have a capable starting QB by May 1st. And there is no reason we need one by January 3rd. Just follow all of the QB competitions at major schools...see who loses...send in the sleeper agent. You are going to get guys with one year of eligibility left who don't want to sit on a bench. Take Nebraska. They have 3 guys competing for 1 job. A JR who was highly recruited, a Xfer JR from GA Tech and a SR who started last year. 2 guys have to lose. The two incumbent Nebraska players should both be on their way out if they lose.

I am not going to argue that this coach has a good offense or is building a great scheme. But these xfers are really not a big deal so far.
You think BGSU can figure out sleeper agents? Now that is funny. They haven't gotten to 2015 yet.
Tell me 007, the QB spot is open at BG?!? You mean I can take over a team with no returning o lineman and take deep drops waiting for excruciatingly complex routes to open up ? Sign me up!!
There are 140 Starting QB jobs in college football. Someone with some competence will want it. Just because disgruntled former players dad who has been disgruntled for the entirety of his existence on this board says it isn't the case doesn't make it logically not the case.

And they return 3 lineman and 6 overall with starting experience.
He's been right about pretty much everything....
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Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:25 am
hammb wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:17 am
jpfalcon09 wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:19 am
mbenecke wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:05 am We can’t be naive to the idea that schools are absolutely contacting these guys before they’re in the portal (supposed to be against the rules) to tell them they’ll get an offer to their bigger program. What are we supposed to do to keep guys at BG when P5 schools come calling? Like seriously, we can’t compete with that. I don’t think it would matter who the coach is, or how the program is, or anything like that.
Yeah, it's ridiculous to fault the coaching staff for guys wanting to leave for bigger programs. If anything it's proof the staff is doing a decent job at developing individual talent. But it's an opportunity to swipe at Loeffler so people are taking it. We also don't know what is going on at other MAC schools regarding NIL and the like, and why some programs aren't seeing similar attrition. There's a lot of context to all this. A guy like Anders may simply want to go get his masters in his field at a different school. Maybe BG doesn't have a program for what he's interested in? I'm surely not going to fault a guy for choosing to go that route.
I'll take any chance I can get to swipe at Loeffler, no secret there. I think he's an absolutely horrid coach; specifically offensively which is supposed to be his "expertise".

That said, I'm not ever going to fault kids for leaving for better situations. I also don't put it entirely on the coaching staff, necessarily. I also agree with you that it is a GOOD sign that we're developing players.

Still, I have really big issues that we've got a WR getting offers from major players in the P5 that we got a whopping 500 yards from this year. While I do agree you're likely always going to lose the kids that have a chance to play at A&M or similar programs, it is also indisputable that A) losing all this talent that has eligibility remaining will hurt the 2023 season, and B) that many of our competitors in the MAC are not losing this much talent with eligibility remaining. Is it Loeffler's fault, necessarily? Maybe not, but I already had pretty low hopes for next season, and these things don't help.

Realistically, if they cannot find a QB that wants to come here and is ready to play at an All-MAC level, why would anybody with options WANT to stay here? This system is proven garbage. The program is not in a good place whether we get these portal kids back or not. It's a snowballing effect that we cannot get immediate contributors here because we're not ready to win, and we will likely lose our best returning players because we're not ready to win...

The writing is on the wall, AFAIC, that 2022 was the "peak" of the last rebuild and it's time to start rebuilding...AGAIN...
The transfers shouldn't be the reasoning for the firing. The Offense should be. Also I would gladly-excitedly hand over the job to the list of candidates for WMU and Kent who didn't get the job.

Transfers happen.

We seem to have a program set in the stone age that is incapable of rebounding from transfers.
They do happen. And if we ran a competent offense we could probably get a good QB in here for next year. If we had prospects of landing a quality QB we'd probably retain more players, and also be able to add some playmakers ready to go as well.

I would never expect to hold onto kids that have big time options. But I would hope we could replace some of them with FCS kids who were able to ball out and/or P5 kids that were passed over on their depth charts.

If we're turning our hopes to more and more "kids who had no other offers" then we'll be waiting around for THOSE guys to develop...
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Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:57 am
Globetrotter wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:18 am
Flipper wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:57 am Our coach is on Twitter begging kids with little or no interest from other programs to hit him up. That does not suggest that we have a robust secret agent program.
You need to sign up. You would be a great sleeper agent.
I would be horrible at that...
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