Beat Miami!

[TommyG]

Here is a question: when most coaches leave in todays portal era, there is a mass exodus with him. In this case, is there reason to believe many will stay, in hope of a coach they want to stay for? If a coaching change results in an automatic mass exodus, we are where we were when Jinks left- ground zero. Better hope new guy can spot talent, get them here. And run a simple, effective plug and play scheme.

Exactly….whenever they make the move it needs to be quick. Get the new guy in here and keep as much talent as possible. Obviously, you see glimpses of what they can do, you just need a coach and a scheme to get more out of the talent.
Don’t fire Loeffler and take 3 weeks to bring a new guy in. They should have feelers out and make a quick hire.

[gspointer]

Hate for anyone to lose their job but I have seen enough

[Bgsu2016]

It's tough to say you've rebuilt a program when you're 0-2 against your conference opponents and they've beaten you by a combined score of 65-7. Muted the ESPN feed (got real tired of hearing the phrase "line drive pass"...WTF?) to listen to Todd and Gibby because they'll call a MF out. Gibby said something interesting (paraphrasing) ..from an alum's perspective...even if you come back and go 7-5 or 8-4 ...can you call that a success when you lose like this to Miami.

Interesting perspective...

This is the big point, it’s not like we’re losing tough ones. They tend to be complete blowouts.

[guest44]

He rebuilt the program? He is 15-33. Jinks was as competitive in the MAC if you take away 2022 where BG faced like 5 backup qbs in a row. If he hadn’t beat Minnesota and Toledo’s back up quarterbacks he would have been long gone. Georgia Tech will keep him around another year. Start looking at the bottom of BIg Ten for who next years quarterback might be. The last castoff who is ok with basically no NIL will be the starter. Rinse and repeat.

[Flipper]

Here is a question: when most coaches leave in todays portal era, there is a mass exodus with him. In this case, is there reason to believe many will stay, in hope of a coach they want to stay for? If a coaching change results in an automatic mass exodus, we are where we were when Jinks left- ground zero. Better hope new guy can spot talent, get them here. And run a simple, effective plug and play scheme.

There's some talent out there...like there was when both Ankney and Blackney left...my biggest fear is that we'll squeak out wins against Akron, Kent and Ball State. Five wins gets them close enough to 500 to blame the "preposterous schedule" and bring pudding head back for another year of this nonsense.

[TommyG]

They aren’t paying for 2 years of a buyout…he’ll be back

[TommyG]

I did love the postgame comment in the recap.
Apparently we had a bunch of guys running “wide open” but we didn’t make the play.

[kdog27]

His record his absolutely awful if you remove his one mediocre 6-7 season. It’s still awful with that 6-7 season. In 5 years we have been on the wrong end of blowouts many times and haven’t really blown out any team once ourselves.

I don’t know if they’ll get the next hire right but it can’t be all that much worse than 15-33 in 5 years.

[hammb]

His record his absolutely awful if you remove his one mediocre 6-7 season. It’s still awful with that 6-7 season. In 5 years we have been on the wrong end of blowouts many times and haven’t really blown out any team once ourselves.

I don’t know if they’ll get the next hire right but it can’t be all that much worse than 15-33 in 5 years.

He's a worse coach than Mike Jinks and that's saying a lot. Sure maybe he runs the program better whatever that means but when you actually need to coach and compete in football games? He's awful.

His record is horrendous and even in his "good" year we got blown out constantly to the tune of a negative point differential. Every time I comp him to Jinks BG fans lambaste me, but all the data shows his record is barely better and we get blown out far more often.

Perhaps worst of all...the football that he's trying to play is horrible to watch. Dude flat cannot coach. He was a shitty QB coach that was promoted into a god awful OC that has been promoted into a shitty HC. He'll probably be a horrible AD at his next stop.

[mbenecke]

They aren’t paying for 2 years of a buyout…he’ll be back

They paid 2.5 years for Jinks. If it needs to be done, they will find a way to make it work.

[zete]

A friend of mine was in Oxford for Parents' Weekend and went to the game. He sent me a text at halftime indicating they were leaving, 'waste of time and money' was his reason.

[Flipper]

Oxford is about a 3.5 hr drive from my house...I'd be pretty mad if I drove that far to see that effort.

I agree with hammb...I think SL is at least as bad as Jinks. Would have been interesting to see what Jinks would have accomplished with the long leash Loeffler's been given

[TommyG]

[quote=TommyG post_id=456787 time=<a href="tel:1696770766">1696770766</a> user_id=52309]
They aren’t paying for 2 years of a buyout…he’ll be back

They paid 2.5 years for Jinks. If it needs to be done, they will find a way to make it work.
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Only way he’s gone is if everything falls apart. They’re significantly more talented than Akron, Kent State and Ball State…throw in UB and Western…I think they’ll likely win 3 of those 5 games. I don’t necessarily think they’ll be impressive wins but I think BG is just more talented and will muck it up to 3 wins.
Like Flipper said…they’ll blame the early schedule and he’ll be back.
Schad will be on the MAC boards saying how 2024 will Loeffler’s year.

[jpfalcon09]

[quote=TommyG post_id=456787 time=<a href="tel:1696770766">1696770766</a> user_id=52309]
They aren’t paying for 2 years of a buyout…he’ll be back

They paid 2.5 years for Jinks. If it needs to be done, they will find a way to make it work.

Only way he’s gone is if everything falls apart. They’re significantly more talented than Akron, Kent State and Ball State…throw in UB and Western…I think they’ll likely win 3 of those 5 games. I don’t necessarily think they’ll be impressive wins but I think BG is just more talented and will muck it up to 3 wins.
Like Flipper said…they’ll blame the early schedule and he’ll be back.
Schad will be on the MAC boards saying how 2024 will Loeffler’s year.
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Losing regular season record and he's probably gone. He's losing a ton of talent next year. Prime opportunity to move on and hit the reset button, even if it means becoming this year's Kent State.

Truthfully, I think this program is going to struggle to ever be relevant again against the current landscape of college football. The money investment isn't there. Decent coaches can make more money being an assistant at a P5 school. Being a head coach here is career suicide.

[hammb]

[quote=TommyG post_id=456787 time=<a href="tel:1696770766">1696770766</a> user_id=52309]
They aren’t paying for 2 years of a buyout…he’ll be back

They paid 2.5 years for Jinks. If it needs to be done, they will find a way to make it work.

Only way he’s gone is if everything falls apart. They’re significantly more talented than Akron, Kent State and Ball State…throw in UB and Western…I think they’ll likely win 3 of those 5 games. I don’t necessarily think they’ll be impressive wins but I think BG is just more talented and will muck it up to 3 wins.
Like Flipper said…they’ll blame the early schedule and he’ll be back.
Schad will be on the MAC boards saying how 2024 will Loeffler’s year.

Losing regular season record and he's probably gone. He's losing a ton of talent next year. Prime opportunity to move on and hit the reset button, even if it means becoming this year's Kent State.

Truthfully, I think this program is going to struggle to ever be relevant again against the current landscape of college football. The money investment isn't there. Decent coaches can make more money being an assistant at a P5 school. Being a head coach here is career suicide.
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I am with you in agreement that the ceiling on this program is lower than it was 20 yrs ago. But I suppose it depends on your definition of "relevant nationally." I think our days of being anything more than cannon fodder for the best in the NCAA are long gone. UM played as awful as they possibly could and we still didn't even really compete with them. But with the right leader I'm 100% still of the belief we can compete for MAC titles and expect to compete and beat the meh P5 teams. Hell, Loeffler is horrible but beat GaTech and Minnesota. That FPI 40-80 range is probably our ceiling for reasonably competing but maybe in our nest years we could hope to knock off a bottom tier top-25 but that is still a bit of a reach.

Realistically we'll almost never keep a draftable QB on our roster long enough for him to mature anymore. NIL alone guarantees that since even meh P5 QBs can make some bank. A Matt Johnson college star with no real pro shots is probably our upper tier hopes to keep them in the program long enough to excel. This alone puts a pretty harsh ceiling on the program and conference. This league isn't going to have Josh Harris, Omar Jacobs, Roethlisberger, Cribbs, and Gradkowsk all at the same time ever again.

You did hit on something I've been mentioning though with regards to career paths for coaches. There is almost zero path to the upper levels of collegiate coaching from HC in the MAC. Your best bet really is to leave the HC spot for a coordinator slot in the P5 like ksu coach going to Colorado, but even that's a tough road where the MAC stop offers little value. I've been griping forever that I like hiring fcs HCs because they've had experience in their roles, but there is also the argument that it's our best bet to find ascending coach talent. This is still a promotion (and pay raise) from coaching most fcs teams to the MAC. Urban was famously a WR coach at ND. There's no way in hell he takes a BG hc job now; top tier WR coaches make more than Loeffler and also have a far more viable path to top-25 HC gigs. MAC HCs, most of the time, are going to peak with head jobs at P5 nothings like Syracuse, Minnesota, or wake forest. Those are all good places to make a lot of money but those guys will never win enough games to get real shots at top 20 jobs.