Utah St. job open

[maskedopining]

And the industry knows how difficult it is to win here. Historically speaking, it’s a known dumpster fire administration. BGSU could sure use that 483K they paid Huger to go away.

I don't know what Simon is making right now, but you'd have to imagine his buyout will be significant if Utah State has to pay BG the 4 years left on his deal in full.

I think you’re right, we’d get a good bit of money from Utah State via the buyout, which matters at a place like BG, especially when approaching another coaching search. It could also factor in Utah State’s decision. Not sure what the buyout would be for Bryce Drew for instance.

[guest44]

If he leaves, BGSU will have to avoid doing what it has usually done and get in its own way. People will want Anthony Stacey or some other alum. Instead go right back the way you hired Simon.

[BillyLP]

If he leaves, BGSU will have to avoid doing what it has usually done and get in its own way. People will want Anthony Stacey or some other alum. Instead go right back the way you hired Simon.

For once, I actually have a lot of faith in our AD for the hiring processes.

[guest44]

If he leaves, BGSU will have to avoid doing what it has usually done and get in its own way. People will want Anthony Stacey or some other alum. Instead go right back the way you hired Simon.

For once, I actually have a lot of faith in our AD for the hiring processes.

Totally agree with that.

[fredthefalcon]

And the industry knows how difficult it is to win here. Historically speaking, it’s a known dumpster fire administration. BGSU could sure use that 483K they paid Huger to go away.

I don't know what Simon is making right now, but you'd have to imagine his buyout will be significant if Utah State has to pay BG the 4 years left on his deal in full.

Isn't the buyout usually a lump sum in the contract for example $500K rather than the entire amount left to pay the coach. I would suppose it could require differing amounts based on time left but it is not likely to approach what pay is still coming. There can be other things as well. I believe that when Fralick left the acquiring school was required to schedule an away game at BG at x time in the future or pay an even larger buyout.

[BillyLP]

And the industry knows how difficult it is to win here. Historically speaking, it’s a known dumpster fire administration. BGSU could sure use that 483K they paid Huger to go away.

I don't know what Simon is making right now, but you'd have to imagine his buyout will be significant if Utah State has to pay BG the 4 years left on his deal in full.

Isn't the buyout usually a lump sum in the contract for example $500K rather than the entire amount left to pay the coach. I would suppose it could require differing amounts based on time left but it is not likely to approach what pay is still coming. There can be other things as well. I believe that when Fralick left the acquiring school was required to schedule an away game at BG at x time in the future or pay an even larger buyout.

It varies. It's often the entire amount on the contract but schools almost always are willing to negotiate. I think with four remaining years on the contract, it would be a relatively hefty buyout. Probably equal to two years salary.

I still don't think Simon will be off to Logan, but if he is, I really hope we look at Eric Henderson (who I actually think *will* be the next coach at USU). His salary is $300k and with a buyout, we could almost certainly offer $500k+ to our next HC.

I get that the MAC isn't a strong league, top to bottom, but there are some good programs with some really good coaches. Akron, Kent, Miami, Ohio, BG & Toledo have very solid HCs. Barbee is getting some momentum at CMU and UMass will really strenghten the league in MBB. I don't think it's that difficult of a sell.

[hammb]

Utah St. would likely pay in the in 1-1.3mm range for the right guy. I can't see Tod being a serious candidate. Late 50s, never made the NCAA, never coached west of the Mississippi. Simon actually makes a ton of sense, but I think Utah State will go for someone with a more established track record. I'd look for Eric Henderson of South Dakota St. to make that move.

How does Utah st have that much money for a coach?

Established engineering and business schools with a whole bunch of wealthy alumni.

And they don't waste money on the bullshit that is MAC football?

[mbenecke]

Utah St. would likely pay in the in 1-1.3mm range for the right guy. I can't see Tod being a serious candidate. Late 50s, never made the NCAA, never coached west of the Mississippi. Simon actually makes a ton of sense, but I think Utah State will go for someone with a more established track record. I'd look for Eric Henderson of South Dakota St. to make that move.

How does Utah st have that much money for a coach?

Established engineering and business schools with a whole bunch of wealthy alumni.

And they don't waste money on the bullshit that is MAC football?

Nope, they waste their money on Mountain West football instead!

[Hdog]

He is certainly on the radar for this job. Going to be an interesting few days.

My brother is close with his family and he has heard the same.

what a kick in the sack to have to reboot every year. We have such a huge mountain to climb folks. This is miserable for me. I don't know if everyone else feels the same?

[hammb]

Utah St. would likely pay in the in 1-1.3mm range for the right guy. I can't see Tod being a serious candidate. Late 50s, never made the NCAA, never coached west of the Mississippi. Simon actually makes a ton of sense, but I think Utah State will go for someone with a more established track record. I'd look for Eric Henderson of South Dakota St. to make that move.

How does Utah st have that much money for a coach?

Established engineering and business schools with a whole bunch of wealthy alumni.

And they don't waste money on the bullshit that is MAC football?

Nope, they waste their money on Mountain West football instead!

While there is no doubt MW football isn't Big10 or SEC, they were able to retain Boise (by giving them a fat media rights bump). Even with giving BSU a disproportionate part of their media rights the MW media contracts pay their schools over $3m annually compared to the $1m MAC teams make. The MW NCAA allotments are also north of $3m, and I'm sure the MAC numbers are sub $1m.

They had 6 teams in this year's NCAA tournament, so right off the bat their hoops credits are 6x ours, they didn't fare too well, but SDSU is still alive so they'll get some win shares as well.

As a conference they're far more committed to basketball excellence than the MAC. They also have far more lucrative media rights deals (due in large part to football).

They also seem to have some really bizarre funding going on out there where most of the MW directly funnels public university funding/subsidies to athletics, ON TOP of student fees. Their student fee numbers don't seem to be quite as high as a lot of MAC schools, but that's because every school is adding a ton of public funding directly to their budgets.

While it would be cool to see that model as a BG fan, I can't say I'm in any way a proponent of sending public funding to athletic departments...And even if we could match those numbers many of the MW teams have private donation/ticket sale revenues that are more than half of a MAC athletic budget. USU over $8m in ticket sales/private donations? SDSU over $25m!?

https://nevadasportsnet.com/news/report ... re-it-lags

Like it or not the MAC isn't in the same game as the MWC.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

Is what I'm picking up from the group that if Simon isn't gone this year, he's likely gone next year?

[mbenecke]

Is what I'm picking up from the group that if Simon isn't gone this year, he's likely gone next year?

Given that he's already a candidate elsewhere and they should be very good next year if he sticks around (assuming he puts together a strong roster), I would imagine so.

I don't think he's still here in 2 or 3 years.

[guest44]

He is certainly on the radar for this job. Going to be an interesting few days.

My brother is close with his family and he has heard the same.

what a kick in the sack to have to reboot every year. We have such a huge mountain to climb folks. This is miserable for me. I don't know if everyone else feels the same?

I’d rather reboot every single season over knowing a failing coach has three years left on his contract. I’d much rather reboot with DVDM as the AD than have Moosbrugger fall for completely fabricated reports that Huger was a candidate for other jobs, costing BGSU millions.

[BillyLP]

Is what I'm picking up from the group that if Simon isn't gone this year, he's likely gone next year?

Given that he's already a candidate elsewhere and they should be very good next year if he sticks around (assuming he puts together a strong roster), I would imagine so.

I don't think he's still here in 2 or 3 years.

If he sticks around one more year and gets us to the tournament, I could care less if he leaves. He'll be a legend in my eyes forever.

[guest44]

Is what I'm picking up from the group that if Simon isn't gone this year, he's likely gone next year?

Given that he's already a candidate elsewhere and they should be very good next year if he sticks around (assuming he puts together a strong roster), I would imagine so.

I don't think he's still here in 2 or 3 years.

If he sticks around one more year and gets us to the tournament, I could care less if he leaves. He'll be a legend in my eyes forever.

The MAC is wide open next year and I’d argue it could be our best shot in 20 years.