Cole Pro Day Data

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:28 am

I think this sounds good, but someone may have to interpret the jargon

BOWLING GREEN (March 15th) senior wide receiver COLE MAGNER ran between 4.55 and 4.58 in the 40... 3.82/4.08 short shuttle... 6.42/6.49 three-cone... 10.95 60-yard... 31" vertical... 9'8" broad jump... weighed in at 6010, 195 pounds... when compared to the results of WR's at the Combine his three-cone times are amazing, as only Indiana's Courtney Roby was the closest at 6.61, plus no one over 190 pounds even broke below 6.9, and there were only seven total WR's at the Combine that broke 7.0... a total of 11 teams were represented at this workout.

RossfordFalcon · Post by **RossfordFalcon** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:05 am

Thats really good for Cole. I hope this helps get his name out there more. I know 4.55 isn't the fastest but that isn't a that bad of a time at all. I guess I never realized he was the fast before.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:54 am

I think this means he just secured a draft position by displaying the skills we've been fortunate enough to see firsthand for 4 years.

O&B: where did you find this? The official NFL site still has nothing about the BG pro day.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/indiv ... kouts#mich

golfertk14 · Post by **golfertk14** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 10:59 am

O&B: Does this source you got the info from say where they think C.M. will end up in the draft?

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:07 am

Here's the source. I found it with a straight google.

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/03 ... level.html

My question is, what does this cone thing have to do with playing pro football?

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:13 am

Ah, the wonders of Google...

I wonder if Mruzcowski or Keon took part and how they fared.

golfertk14 · Post by **golfertk14** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:18 am

BOWLING GREEN (March 15th) senior wide receiver COLE MAGNER ran between 4.55 and 4.58 in the 40... 3.82/4.08 short shuttle... 6.42/6.49 three-cone... 10.95 60-yard... 31" vertical... 9'8" broad jump... weighed in at 6010, 195 pounds... when compared to the results of WR's at the Combine his three-cone times are amazing, as only Indiana's Courtney Roby was the closest at 6.61, plus no one over 190 pounds even broke below 6.9, and there were only seven total WR's at the Combine that broke 7.0... a total of 11 teams were represented at this workout.

What's a short shuttle?

FalconKing · Post by **FalconKing** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 11:25 am

orangeandbrown wrote:Here's the source. I found it with a straight google.

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/03 ... level.html

My question is, what does this cone thing have to do with playing pro football?

"The 3 Cone Drill is the newest addition to the NFL scouting combine, replacing the “4 Cone” or “Box” drill. The 3 cone drill is also a test of speed, explosion, and changing directions. Each prospect will be timed by seconds in how fast they can sprint ten yards, back, back again and around a third cone parallel to the 2nd.

The Drill: Three orange cones are placed on the field forming an "L." Cone 1 is at the end of the L, Cone 2 is at the corner of the L and Cone 3 is at the top of the L. There are 5 yards between each cone. The player starts by getting down in a three-point stance next to Cone 1. He runs to Cone 2, bends down and touches a line with his right hand. Then he turns and runs back to Cone 1, bends down and touches that line with his right hand. Then he runs back to Cone 2 and around the outside of it, weaves inside Cone 3 (as if he were running a figure eight), then cuts tightly around the outside of Cones 3 and 2 before finishing at Cone 1 in a full sprint.

What it tests: Speed, quickness, flexibility, change of direction, body control."

I just did a google and found a page that does a good job of explaining all of the combine drills: http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/co ... neinfo.asp

Perhaps the results of his cone drill explain how he was always able to get open? He never seemed like the fastest guy on the field, but when he made his move he would always have a step or two on his defender. If some teams were giving him some looks before, I think this just guaranteed he will get a shot at the next level either through the draft of as an UDFA.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:08 pm

Good to hear of these numbers for Cole. The drill times are all well & good, but the most important was probably the fact that he measured up to a legit 6'1. That means he will fit the bill off a larger WR, and will not have the knock of being undersized.

By coming in at 6'1 he didn't need to flash an eye-popping 40 time, and instead he put up some very solid 40 times, and there are plenty of NFL WRs that would run a similar time right now. His cone drill is phenomenal, and the short shuttle was a good time as well. It definitely shows us why he was so good at taking those short passes and turning them up field. Its also a good reason why he was able to be open all the time. The other reason he was open was that he's a solid route runner that comes out of his breaks strong, and doesn't round things off. That's the mark of a polished WR, and something that's often lacking when a guy comes out of college.

I think if you combine these "combine" numbers with his ability to run routes and catch everything that's close to him he could be a legit draftable prospect. Unfortunately for him he was hurt at times this season and didn't put up huge numbers. I think he'll likely be a 7th rounder or a UDFA type guy. If he had been healthy this year and put up similar numbers to J5's senior year he could've moved into a 5th round type guy.

This was still a good session for Cole as it all but guarantees he'll get at least a shot as an UDFA.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:14 pm

Cole never burnt anyone with his legs. He's a possession receiver (not to be confused with Fitch :duh: , sorry, bad joke!). I think I remember hearing that the Steelers were taking a serious look at him thanks to a certain QB being impressed with him back in his college playing days.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 1:38 pm

Fom the same site

"BOWLING GREEN (March 15th) senior wide receiver JAMES HAWKINS ran between 4.56 and 4.59 in the 40... which was faster than the 4.65 estimate from last spring... 33" vertical... 9'6" broad jump and also did 23 reps of 225 pounds... weighed in at 6013, 220 pounds."

23 reps is OUTSTANDING for a WR. Hawk may have made himself a factor with those numbers.

I agree that Cole's status as a legit 6'-01 WR is a positive, but I think his times in the drills are going to have a bigger impact. That three cone time is off the charts compared to EVERYONE that's been measured so far at his position. That is bound to raise some eyebrows in a league that uses the stopwatch to weed out the vast majority of each year's graduating class

factman · Post by **factman** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 9:07 pm

This just in for "golfer".......the short shuttle is the one that runs from one airport terminal to the other!!

Falconboy · Post by **Falconboy** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:30 pm

Hawk ran in the 4.5's at 220 pounds?? That is very good for a receiver that weighs that much. Hawkins just might get a closer look.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 3:16 pm

You have to realize that every team in the country has about two WR's coming out who can compare to Hawk. i would say he wont get drafted but might get a camp invite (however I doubt that). In terms of Cole the most important thing for him now is his size and athletic ability. He will not atart his career as a 3rd wideout/possesion guy but as a special teams gunner. He proved that he can do that by playing basketball ad with his weighins(athletic ability and size). With tat said I would be very surprised if he gets drafted. However I would also be surprised if he does not make a team as the 6-7th wideout.

I think he is comparable to who the Bengals carry as there 6th wideout. Kevin Walter who I think went to Eastern Michigan. He is much bigger than Cole but not as athletic. He went in the 7th round to I beleive the Giants or Jaguars but didnt make the team that year. Now he is mainly a STs player for the Bengals. Cole doesnt have his size though.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 4:15 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote: However I would also be surprised if he does not make a team as the 6-7th wideout.

Very Few teams carry 6 WRs and I doubt that any of them carry 7. Many teams are relying on 5 or even 4 WRs, unless they are special teams demons. With the roster size limited to only 53 players unless the final couple WRs are very versatile there is no reason to keep that many.

Cole will likely be signed somewhere as an UDFA. Best case scenario for him would be a team that likes to spread the ball around, they are more likely to keep extra WRs. If they also suffered some losses this offseason it'd be good as well (although any team like that will likely draft one fairly high). Cole will then have to play himself onto the roster, and would more likely end up on the practice squad for this season, where he can then go to Europe to get more PT.

Cole was a good player for us, but he is a fringe player for the NFL. His shuttle times do make him a little more attractive though. The stopwatch showed that elusiveness we've seen. It's a good thing too, because that elusiveness is the only thing that sets him apart from the other 6'1 WRs that run a 4.5 They're a dime a dozen. Hopefully he'll be agile enough to make NFL level DBs miss as well, in which case he'll get on a roster in a year or two.

Cole Pro Day Data

Cole Pro Day Data

Wow!