Meeting on College Sports Crisis.

[bgbill]

Unionizing non-employees is a pretty good trick.

[mbenecke]

It's been proposed this morning to give all athletes 5 years of eligibility, with no redshirts and no waivers. We'll see how that goes.

[Critical Thinker]

Unionizing non-employees is a pretty good trick.

No reform is going to be even remotely coherent until someone says the quiet part out loud: the kids are now professionals and employees of the university.

[Flipper]

Unionizing non-employees is a pretty good trick.

No reform is going to be even remotely coherent until someone says the quiet part out loud: the kids are now professionals and employees of the university.

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

[hammb]

Unionizing non-employees is a pretty good trick.

No reform is going to be even remotely coherent until someone says the quiet part out loud: the kids are now professionals and employees of the university.

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

BG has omitted the "reached an agreement" part, but has also been announcing basketball players that have agreed to return. I'm sure the agreements are completely different in 0s or whatever, but it's the same thing.

[BillyLP]

Unionizing non-employees is a pretty good trick.

No reform is going to be even remotely coherent until someone says the quiet part out loud: the kids are now professionals and employees of the university.

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

BG has omitted the "reached an agreement" part, but has also been announcing basketball players that have agreed to return. I'm sure the agreements are completely different in 0s or whatever, but it's the same thing.

I've seen a lot of schools do this kind of thing. Utah State was using "re-signed" which is also pretty clear.

[Bgsu2016]

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

The thing is though the players don’t (or shouldn’t) want this to change. The schools have far more resources, if they become full employees they’ll be inked into multi-year contracts. That would effectively end the whole new coach brings all of his current players and throw a huge wrench into the system

[footballguy51]

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

The thing is though the players don’t (or shouldn’t) want this to change. The schools have far more resources, if they become full employees they’ll be inked into multi-year contracts. That would effectively end the whole new coach brings all of his current players and throw a huge wrench into the system

Well, what you would have is clauses that allow contracts to be terminated early on either side with specific repercussions. We can cut you early but we owe you something (money or something) unless your termination was for justified reasons (e.g. you were convicted of murder, caught gambling on your own games). In other words, with cause vs. just a performance cut. Likewise, if you choose to exit your deal, there is a buyout clause written in, but it's possibly that buyout could be reduced or eliminated for things like coaching changes or early graduation. I just hope these kids have people read the contracts with them, because they are signing LARGE deals that could have major financial impacts on them if they underperform or choose to quit or transfer. This, of course, brings up the question of if they outperform their contract, are they free to renegotiate their deal? Are we able to trade players? And ultimately, what does this look like for the cross country team and similar programs?

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

The thing is though the players don’t (or shouldn’t) want this to change. The schools have far more resources, if they become full employees they’ll be inked into multi-year contracts. That would effectively end the whole new coach brings all of his current players and throw a huge wrench into the system

Well, what you would have is clauses that allow contracts to be terminated early on either side with specific repercussions. We can cut you early but we owe you something (money or something) unless your termination was for justified reasons (e.g. you were convicted of murder, caught gambling on your own games). In other words, with cause vs. just a performance cut. Likewise, if you choose to exit your deal, there is a buyout clause written in, but it's possibly that buyout could be reduced or eliminated for things like coaching changes or early graduation. I just hope these kids have people read the contracts with them, because they are signing LARGE deals that could have major financial impacts on them if they underperform or choose to quit or transfer. This, of course, brings up the question of if they outperform their contract, are they free to renegotiate their deal? Are we able to trade players? And ultimately, what does this look like for the cross country team and similar programs?

You should have included stealing shoes in your list of transgressions.

[maskedopining]

UM announced last night that they had "reached and agreement" with PG Elliot Cadeau for him to return for the 2026 season. Sure sounds like a professional to me

no

The thing is though the players don’t (or shouldn’t) want this to change. The schools have far more resources, if they become full employees they’ll be inked into multi-year contracts. That would effectively end the whole new coach brings all of his current players and throw a huge wrench into the system

Well, what you would have is clauses that allow contracts to be terminated early on either side with specific repercussions. We can cut you early but we owe you something (money or something) unless your termination was for justified reasons (e.g. you were convicted of murder, caught gambling on your own games). In other words, with cause vs. just a performance cut. Likewise, if you choose to exit your deal, there is a buyout clause written in, but it's possibly that buyout could be reduced or eliminated for things like coaching changes or early graduation. I just hope these kids have people read the contracts with them, because they are signing LARGE deals that could have major financial impacts on them if they underperform or choose to quit or transfer. This, of course, brings up the question of if they outperform their contract, are they free to renegotiate their deal? Are we able to trade players? And ultimately, what does this look like for the cross country team and similar programs?

All of this exactly why collective bargaining will be the inevitable end to this. Keep in mind that player unions for professional sports typically focus on negotiating on behalf of the players on the margins as much or if not more than the highest-paid players. Most of its memberships are made up of players not in top demand.

Most agreements involve the players making concessions to owners for the top, highest performers while owners concede on the revenue pools and rules that add security to players on the margins.

[Flipper]

Jameson Williams sues the NCAA, B1G and SEC fro profiting off him without compensating him fairly.

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/detr ... g-ten-sec/

[JCFalcon08]

Jameson Williams sues the NCAA, B1G and SEC fro profiting off him without compensating him fairly.

https://www.totalprosports.com/nfl/detr ... g-ten-sec/

This whole thing is a crock.

[Flipper]

B1G revenues are a small country's GDP

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... iscal-year