Sebo Center graphic in new Alumni magazine.

[transfer2BGSU]

A source not reading this forum, said that while the admissions office project is moving forward, there isn't a fixed date, and the study about the convocation center is in part why.

The Director of Admissions would prefer that no action be taken on the new Enrollment Services Building until AFTER the new Theatre/Fine Arts Complex is finished and any work on the Library complex.

I don't think Memorial Hall will be demolished because federal funding was used to build the facility, hence why ROTC is located in the building.

And we do not have a parking problem on campus at all - I saw over 3,500 parking spaces not being used this morning when I came onto campus and also saw the same 3,500 spaces not being used yesterday when I drove up to Owens Community College - Toledo. Sorry, but you need to fill all of the parking spaces BEFORE you can talk about a parking problem - plain and simple: We do not have a parking problem.

[Tech83]

And we do not have a parking problem on campus at all - I saw over 3,500 parking spaces not being used this morning when I came onto campus and also saw the same 3,500 spaces not being used yesterday when I drove up to Owens Community College - Toledo. Sorry, but you need to fill all of the parking spaces BEFORE you can talk about a parking problem - plain and simple: We do not have a parking problem.

As we have all concluded before - we have a walking problem - no one wants to walk. During the winter months in "Blowing" Green that is understandable.

[Tech83]

The SEBO could really be part of a new Bball arena or Hockey facility. Because what you really need is the classrooms and the weight rooms. -

Just out of curiosity, where would they put a new bball arena or hockey facility, considering the golf course is directly north of the stadium (is it not?) and the SEBO looks like it could possibly go up to the road that runs along the southern edge of the golf course.

I am not sure I agree with putting the SEBO at the stadium, but as NWBL stated - the area from the Ice Arena to Doyt is prime for development as an athletic "ghetto" or neighborhood. (Ghetto is a social term - slum is an economic term - please don't confuse my comments )

I think what we are seeing in the renderings of the SEBO is something more than a simple Student-Athlete center (training rooms, weight rooms, computer labs and tutoring spaces). I do understand the the offices and locker rooms at the Doyt are small and dingy - particularly compared to the level of quality space being provided in newer designs. So why not try to resolve some of those issues with an expanded program. -- It's only money-- and if you can raise so much the better.

[Flipper]

The Sebo is being built at the stadium because it's a football building. The politically correct term is "student athlete center" because the illusion needs to be created that it isn't just a $7-10 million gift to football.

If the intention was to create a space for the entire student athlete population, it would make more sense to just add on to the Perry Field House. It'd be much cheaper to do so...

[NWLB]

Tech: NWBL? That hurts man!

Transfer: That too. He did say he hopes and figures the ESB will be done before he retires. They are still trying to figure what to do with the Slide Projector. As for the Library, it needs a lot of work and improvement. I'm not as keen on pushing the main entrance to the south as suggested by the master plans, but the deck space just screams for something more to be done with it.

Frankly I'd love to see something expand out over the parking lot, maybe with a deck over the current parking space. Maybe a hybred building with layer of parking as it exsits now, with a second deck attached along some part of it. But that would crowd the ESB, if that is indeed where the do finally build it.

I think the ROTC could find funds to build a new facility if they had too. Maybe out by the airport. Maybe as a joint project with the airport authority for a larger building of some kind, which both groups could use. Then they could go do the ranger thing in the industrial rubble heap.

[Tech83]

The Sebo is being built at the stadium because it's a football building. The politically correct term is "student athlete center" because the illusion needs to be created that it isn't just a $7-10 million gift to football.

If the intention was to create a space for the entire student athlete population, it would make more sense to just add on to the Perry Field House. It'd be much cheaper to do so...

I don't think it has anything to do with being PC, but it could be a condition of the gift that it be located at the stadium.

The seed gift for the SEBO is $3.5 million and according to the website,.....

Naming opportunities within the Sebo Student-Athlete Center are available:

Sports medicine and rehabilitation facility
Strength and conditioning area
Pavilion overlooking the playing field
Football coaches' office
Teaching space for coaches and players
Video equipment and viewing room
Team meeting rooms
Coaches conference room

Which means the SEBO will be a shell of a building until funding for these program areas are secured. Please note - Pavilion overlooking the playing field (Luxury boxes).

IMHO - The Hockey program is the strongest program in the AD. These are normally the better students and have a better chance at getting to the next level. Which means more $$ from those alumni/players for this type of facility. Someone is not thinking clearly on this..... but I am sure McPhee, Blake, Holizinger were all given presentations about the SEBO during thier recent visits. Will they donate to something that focuses on football? The stadium is NOT the place to locate this facility. We can all talk about how great the football program is presently, but Hockey has always been King. The first thing most people say to me after I tell them I went to BG - they comment about the Hockey Program.

[Flipper]

Hockey is king??? Take that blasphemy right on down to the hockey board, pal....futebol es muy grande....hockey es muy pequeno.

[TG1996]

Someone is not thinking clearly on this..... but I am sure McPhee, Blake, Holizinger were all given presentations about the SEBO during thier recent visits. Will they donate to something that focuses on football?

Blake and Emerson donated a good bit of change to fix the Ice Arena up, so they may be out just based on having given to that, but I see where you may be right regarding hockey guys giving to the football program, though I really see it as more than a football deal, just because of where it's being placed. sticking it at the end of the Doyt gives it great visibility... On game days, from I-75, the golf course, etc. I think finding the funding for something that people can sit in, or look at, while tailgating or at a game on Saturday and say "I helped with that", or "damn doesn't that look fine", is more of a financial/funding draw than wedging it somewhere on campus so its more accessible.

[Tech83]

I guess for me it's tough to compare a National Championship in Hockey with a handfull of MAC championship. I love both teams - don't get me wrong..... It's harder to shaft us in hockey than in football.

Of course, I remembering back to my student days when it was very tough to get hockey tickets (you had to have a sports pass, then get a ticket to get into the ice arena) and getting into the football game was a snap -show your ID and go.

And I think the SEBO should help attract higher quality recruits for hockey, football, and both Bball teams, which in the end could mean more $$ in the colleges coffers. No matter where it is placed. Which means our discussion has little or no meaning to the final design and location. Just fun to discuss.

[BGSU33]

And we do not have a parking problem on campus at all - I saw over 3,500 parking spaces not being used this morning when I came onto campus and also saw the same 3,500 spaces not being used yesterday when I drove up to Owens Community College - Toledo. Sorry, but you need to fill all of the parking spaces BEFORE you can talk about a parking problem - plain and simple: We do not have a parking problem.

As we have all concluded before - we have a walking problem - no one wants to walk. During the winter months in "Blowing" Green that is understandable.

I just cringe every time I hear someone complain about parking at BGSU. BGSU is a "college campus," it is not a parking lot with buildings on it! We have few trees and no hills as it is, the last thing we need is to be losing more green space in place of more cement. Parking in college settings is always an issue no matter where you go. College towns, colleges in cities, etc., there's always a parking "issue."

I agreed with Olscamp when he said "we don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." We have plenty of parking at BG, it's just not right beside each and every building. And spare me the "cold weather" BS too. Here's a news flash - BG is in NW Ohio! When it's winter time, it's going to be cold and windy. Are people not aware of that when they apply to school anywhere in the north? If people can't take it upon themselves to walk their @sses a few minutes to class – even when it's cold outside – then either transfer to a "cement jungle" school like Toledo or a Community College where you can park next to a building, or take on-line classes at home from the University if Phoenix in the cozy comfort of your living room!

Enough said!

[Tech83]

I just cringe every time I hear someone complain about parking at BGSU. BGSU is a "college campus," it is not a parking lot with buildings on it! We have few trees and no hills as it is, the last thing we need is to be losing more green space in place of more cement. Parking in college settings is always an issue no matter where you go. College towns, colleges in cities, etc., there's always a parking "issue."

I agreed with Olscamp when he said "we don't have a parking problem, we have a walking problem." We have plenty of parking at BG, it's just not right beside each and every building. And spare me the "cold weather" BS too. Here's a news flash - BG is in NW Ohio! When it's winter time, it's going to be cold and windy. Are people not aware of that when they apply to school anywhere in the north? If people can't take it upon themselves to walk their @sses a few minutes to class – even when it's cold outside – then either transfer to a "cement jungle" school like Toledo or a Community College where you can park next to a building, or take on-line classes at home from the University if Phoenix in the cozy comfort of your living room!

Enough said!

Hey 33 - Open up, tell us how you really feel.

I think everyone agrees with your comments about walking at college and in particular BG. Even today when we visit campus (either one), we park the car and walk from there. We are all talking to the Choir. And as an architect, I can tell you I hear this parking crap all the time.

I drove to only one class as a student - whether at BG or Miami and it was my senior year at BG. I lived on First Street and had to teach class at the Tech Annex (Airport) out on Poe Road. There was a small parking lot next to the building and it was never filled. Plus I could get there early and buy a cup of joe from the airport. Otherwise my car did not move except to get me to the laundry, grocery, and home on the holidays.

Concerning the cold weather - Yeah - we knew it was going to be cold, but the wind - holy cow!! I finally quit combing my hair and just went with the Keith Richards look. You could always tell the Freshman and the French Exchange students - they were the ones not wearing a hat or gloves - it did not look cool. To Heck with cool - I wanted to stay warm

[Strouse]

Hey 33 - Open up, tell us how you really feel.

I think everyone agrees with your comments about walking at college and in particular BG. Even today when we visit campus (either one), we park the car and walk from there. We are all talking to the Choir. And as an architect, I can tell you I hear this parking crap all the time.

I drove to only one class as a student - whether at BG or Miami and it was my senior year at BG. I lived on First Street and had to teach class at the Tech Annex (Airport) out on Poe Road. There was a small parking lot next to the building and it was never filled. Plus I could get there early and buy a cup of joe from the airport. Otherwise my car did not move except to get me to the laundry, grocery, and home on the holidays.

Concerning the cold weather - Yeah - we knew it was going to be cold, but the wind - holy cow!! I finally quit combing my hair and just went with the Keith Richards look. You could always tell the Freshman and the French Exchange students - they were the ones not wearing a hat or gloves - it did not look cool. To Heck with cool - I wanted to stay warm

Alrighty then...now I don't have a car on campus, and I've walked everywhere (or I've riden my bike everywhere) on campus. Even in the freezing months of January and February. I've only ridden the shuttle busses a few times, and that was to kroger's and back. I think the complaints about parking have to do with the lot itself. I've heard from several people that the lots are just crap, I think if the university would just pay someone to go out and repave the parking lots, all of these "parking complaints" will eventually drop out of sight. This is just my opinion of course, you can take it or leave it.

[Tech83]

Alrighty then...now I don't have a car on campus, and I've walked everywhere (or I've riden my bike everywhere) on campus. Even in the freezing months of January and February. I've only ridden the shuttle busses a few times, and that was to kroger's and back. I think the complaints about parking have to do with the lot itself. I've heard from several people that the lots are just crap, I think if the university would just pay someone to go out and repave the parking lots, all of these "parking complaints" will eventually drop out of sight. This is just my opinion of course, you can take it or leave it.

Shuttles? SHUTTLES!!!! We did not need no stinking shuttles when I was a student (but really would have like them )

The parking lots were crap in the early 80's - gravel, big chuck holes and no lighting.

[Flipper]

The lots were terrible in the 80's....and you couldn't pull through the parking space and park nose out. And you had to put the sticker on your bumper. And none of the really good looking girls would talk to you and it was really hard to peg that little three wheeled scooter that the traffic cop rode around in with a snowball because it was moving a lot faster than it looked and people actually listened to REO Speedwagon and wondered why you didn't and Dr Parnell would give you a "D" on your paper if you had even one comma splice and....and...I'm sorry... we were talking about parking, right?

Yeah it sucks if you hate walking...thenn again, if you liked walking you wouldn't own a car, right?

[NWLB]

We haven't had a streak in football such as that which we are in for either a very long time, or never at all. My thought is never at all. So trying to compare hockey to football is not easy, nor should we really try. In truth I loved hockey more than football most of the time I was at or around BG, but I'd never miss a football game for hockey, simply because there were always more of them to go too, so again, its not easy to compare.

In the end, with so little conflict in schedules I don't see a need to take one over the other. The real sports to compare would be basketball and hockey. Between the two, historically, hockey wins without question. Bigger, more consistent crowds, with fans that are much more hard-core.

Hockey is unique at BG because it was created by students, the original fan based was very much a grass-roots thing on campus. The hockey fans understand the game on a person-to-person basis better than most fans of the other sports know theirs. The players and coaches are much closer to the fan base than any other sport. (Thought credit where its due, Dakich is pretty darn close to the core fans of the basketball team.) If football and basketball became more polished and less personal, that hasn't happened with hockey.

Hockey isn't a sport most folks follow before their arrive at BG. For the students, its a unique and cool thing. For those grew up with round ball or pigskin, its an aquired taste.

In the end, its all BG, so why argue.