FMB 2004 CD

Post by **ZiggyZoomba** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:11 am

willijsheehan3 wrote:This just makes me angry. The FMB CD should not be online. If someone wants the CD they should pay for it just like everybody else. Why do you get it for free when I had to pay my hard earned money for it? The profit made from these CD's goes back to the FMB and makes our awesome marching experience possible. I ask that you take it down, and that if you have any problems with my request please email me at [email protected] Thank you.

I appreciate your concern. I've temporarily removed the MP3 files until I hear back from the band office as to their wishes.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:24 am

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Originally posted by willijsheehan3:
This just makes me angry. The FMB CD should not be online. If someone wants the CD they should pay for it just like everybody else. Why do you get it for free when I had to pay my hard earned money for it? The profit made from these CD's goes back to the FMB and makes our awesome marching experience possible. I ask that you take it down, and that if you have any problems with my request please email me at [email protected] Thank you.
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We don't make a profit off of these CDs. And even if we did, I doubt that you should be one to complain about music piracy - think of it as what goes around, comes around. Its no different than you burning a CD from one of your friends or getting them from the library and copying them. And don't even think for a second that you can't say you've done that with reckless abandon. You are only pissed now because you are the artist.

Additionally, the FMB CDs are not available to the public, only the FMB members and the like. They only produce as many as are ordered, thus eliminating the chance to have the excess sold as overstock in the bookstore.

Lastly, before you got here, it was nearly high tradition that the FMB CDs are copied and passed to those Falcon fans who are not in BG but still have faith and pride in their school. Maybe you simply don't understand that family tradition. We look out for our own here. And in the event you don't get that, you're not welcome.

willijsheehan3 · Post by **willijsheehan3** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:28 am

I can understand the whole profit debate, but the fact that the sale is not open to the public is a nother thing. If you wanted the cd bad enough, you could send an email to the directors, and i'm sure they'd be glad to do their best to get you a cd. There is no reason to put it online when it can be as easy as sending an email.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:31 am

willijsheehan3 wrote:I can understand the whole profit debate, but the fact that the sale is not open to the public is a nother thing. If you wanted the cd bad enough, you could send an email to the directors, and i'm sure they'd be glad to do their best to get you a cd. There is no reason to put it online when it can be as easy as sending an email.

Actually, if you knew the entire process they went through to get these copied, the covers printed, etc., you would realize they wouldn't just start selling them to people one-by-one. Orders like these are in bulk and I'm sure the staff has no problem with building interest in the band.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:40 pm

willijsheehan3 wrote:I can understand the whole profit debate, but the fact that the sale is not open to the public is a nother thing. If you wanted the cd bad enough, you could send an email to the directors, and i'm sure they'd be glad to do their best to get you a cd. There is no reason to put it online when it can be as easy as sending an email.

I would assume the reason we don't do that is becasue of all the copyright issues... Can you imagine all the legal paperwork?

willijsheehan3 · Post by **willijsheehan3** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:00 pm

SaxyIrishTenor wrote:
willijsheehan3 wrote:I can understand the whole profit debate, but the fact that the sale is not open to the public is a nother thing. If you wanted the cd bad enough, you could send an email to the directors, and i'm sure they'd be glad to do their best to get you a cd. There is no reason to put it online when it can be as easy as sending an email.
I would assume the reason we don't do that is becasue of all the copyright issues... Can you imagine all the legal paperwork?

By this I mean that you could ask for a CD via email. I dont mean send the CD over the email. If you ordered one, whether it be in person or via email, there would be no copyrite issues at all. The fact that they order them in buld is an issue yes, but the public can easily find out when the CD will be available to order it ahead of time just like the rest of us did. If someone wants it after the sale has closed, then the sale is closed. If enough people want the CD after the sale is closed I have no doubt that another order can be placed. It can be a very simple, legal solution.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:17 pm

willijsheehan3 wrote:
SaxyIrishTenor wrote:
willijsheehan3 wrote:I can understand the whole profit debate, but the fact that the sale is not open to the public is a nother thing. If you wanted the cd bad enough, you could send an email to the directors, and i'm sure they'd be glad to do their best to get you a cd. There is no reason to put it online when it can be as easy as sending an email.
I would assume the reason we don't do that is becasue of all the copyright issues... Can you imagine all the legal paperwork?
By this I mean that you could ask for a CD via email. I dont mean send the CD over the email. If you ordered one, whether it be in person or via email, there would be no copyrite issues at all. The fact that they order them in buld is an issue yes, but the public can easily find out when the CD will be available to order it ahead of time just like the rest of us did. If someone wants it after the sale has closed, then the sale is closed. If enough people want the CD after the sale is closed I have no doubt that another order can be placed. It can be a very simple, legal solution.

I'm speaking in reference to all the rights we'd have to get to the songs we used... You don't think we contacted Warner Bros. to get privileges for "Harry Potter", do you? Or "Beetlejuice"? How about "God Bless the USA"? Thats a legal battle we don't need, and if you don't think the big companies would come after us for it, think again. And it would go both ways. U of M is bringing a lawsuit against Destiny's Child for using their cadences in one of their songs without getting the rights... Duh.

goofyeuph · Post by **goofyeuph** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:17 pm

And I say agian, the CD's are NOT made avalible to the public. In order for the CD to be made public, there is copyright issues that have to addressed. Also the CD must go though the Alumni Assocation, and the University. I believe the we "get around" copyright issues of publishing because we already secured the rights to use the songs throughout the year, and CD's are intended for private/educational use of the members of the ensemble. I'm not sure that we could legally sell the CD's to the public, even through direct e-mails to the director.

Music is meant to be shared. As I've stated earlier in this thread, I would much have people enjoying the music I've helped to make, rather than worry about a few bucks. BTW, Grant, have you heard anything back from the band office??

goofyeuph · Post by **goofyeuph** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:20 pm

SaxyIrishTenor wrote:I'm speaking in reference to all the rights we'd have to get to the songs we used... You don't think we contacted Warner Bros. to get privileges for "Harry Potter", do you? Or "Beetlejuice"? How about "God Bless the USA"? Thats a legal battle we don't need, and if you don't think the big companies would come after us for it, think again. And it would go both ways. U of M of suing Destiny's Child for using their cadences in one of their songs without getting the rights... Duh.

Actually, I believe we do contact the copyright owners before using the songs. I remember a couple of years ago we wanted to do a Star Wars show. When we contacted John Williams about it, he insisted that we pre exisisting arrangments, and could not do our own. We didn't do a Star Wars show.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:22 pm

goofyeuph wrote:
SaxyIrishTenor wrote:I'm speaking in reference to all the rights we'd have to get to the songs we used... You don't think we contacted Warner Bros. to get privileges for "Harry Potter", do you? Or "Beetlejuice"? How about "God Bless the USA"? Thats a legal battle we don't need, and if you don't think the big companies would come after us for it, think again. And it would go both ways. U of M of suing Destiny's Child for using their cadences in one of their songs without getting the rights... Duh.
Actually, I believe we do contact the copyright owners before using the songs. I remember a couple of years ago we wanted to do a Star Wars show. When we contacted John Williams about it, he insisted that we pre exisisting arrangments, and could not do our own. We didn't do a Star Wars show.

That was with Rohrer, was it not? I do believe since Hu-to's time this has not been done.

SaxyGirl85 · Post by **SaxyGirl85** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:41 pm

i'm sure they get copyrights for things, because during Athletic Band in Cleveland, i heard Mr. Ryan Nowlin say to Mark Lohrum "we do things legally here at BGSU" when MarkL made some comment about how we should steal some other pep band's song they were playing...

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:53 pm

SaxyIrishTenor wrote:
goofyeuph wrote:We didn't do a Star Wars show.
That was with Rohrer, was it not? I do believe since Hu-to's time this has not been done.

When Rohrer was here they did a Star Wars song. I have it on cd/tape/something...

graceful · Post by **graceful** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:15 pm

i love reading this thread

Very interesting cases.

I for one buy an extra copy of the marching band CD each year for my parents. A friend of mine in tOSUMB and I emailed each other Bohemian Rhapsody this year so we could hear how each respective school perfomed it. (sidenote: THE FMB arrangement was MUCH better than the waltz sound tOSUMB had appear

) Then for my grandparent's I burn extra copies. I've burned copies all 3 years for my younger brother ... and guess what... he's coming to BG next year and is going to be int he FMB!! It pays off!! I feel I earned my "right" to make them a copy b/c I'm one of the performers...

however, I'm not gonna make 100 copies and start selling them on the black market... if someone I know is alumni or has pure interest in the FMB, I'd gladly share the music with them b/c I'm proud of the musical growth of the FMB in the 3 years I have been a member... for all I know they might listen to it once and then delete it from their computer... why make them pay for a one time use CD!?

... does this make sense? :coo-coo: probably not, but oh well, it's my opinion and insight to how I get the FMB music around to people I know who want it

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:49 pm

I would push people to look at the name of the composer/arranger of songs during the Rohr years. You might find a surprise.

SaxyIrishTenor · Post by **SaxyIrishTenor** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:53 pm

Finally in 04 wrote:I would push people to look at the name of the composer/arranger of songs during the Rohr years. You might find a surprise.

Aren't they Australian football players?

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