Incident at UT will not go away

[truth]

TJ, Regartless... Hamstutz shouldn't have a job. He's running a dirty program. Just quit denying it.

[falconfan1]

tj, I am sure you are a super Rocket fan. And probably not an unreasonable Rocket fan. You've got a fine team, a popular coach and a university trying to move up in every way.

Now let's say you are UT President Johnson who opens the morning paper to look at the picture of one of his students beat to a pulp with absolutely no one charged. No one. Apparently, the Toledo police working with the people at the incident and the UT football coach could not identify anyone who did anything to this student. If I'm President Johnson I say unbelieveable.

Now I read further and find the other severely injured student could very easily have died. If I'm President Johnson I begin to actually think incidents like this may affect the university's image, fund raising, admissions etc.

Then I read further and find my own VP of Student Affairs has never even received or reviewed a police report on this incident. But my football coach has. If I'm President Johnson I now go into personal high gear to figure out what the heck is going on before the incident spirals further out of control given mothers of victims, attorneys etc.

Now maybe only two UT football players took part in the incident. Just two and they have both been disciplined. Or maybe, if I'm President Johnson and I talk to my football coach, I find that several more were on hand and several more (just perhaps) may have been more than bystanders.

The reason this is a big deal is because students were very, very seriously hurt. I hope they all recover and I hope the UT football team's total involvement was Kay and Partee. They are kicked off and suspended. Now, it would be my opinion that Coach Amstutz knows exactly who else was there and to some degree who did what. If I'm President Johnson staring at the kid's face and with his Mom and her attorney on line two, I'd want to know the whole story.

These injuries were serious.

To even compare an incident like this to Leininger (suspended for a minimum of two games and practicing only with the scout team for underage drinking) and Carson (loud radio and louder apparently stupid at that moment mouth with almost certain suspension to come) is an amazing reach. I am not proud of Leininger or Carson. But in the older case, the punishment seems to fit the crime BG style. We shall see on Carson.

As posted elsewhere, there are no arrests or citations that are not printed in at least one paper (and usually two) in BG. There are no hidden incidents that I know of.

If I'm a UT Board of Trustee member, I would have to, at this point, have to be asking some hard questions. The UT team will be fine; they'll beat Kansas. But this incident creates a lot of questions- and problems- for the university as a whole. And on the same day the universirty reports a decrease of about 6% in undergraduate students- after estimating a flat number just a few months before. Probably totally unrelated, but all these news items are not good.

Good luck to the Rockets.

Go Falcons!

[Gordie81]

With the negatives that have been going on lately about MAC football players, the conference is going to have to add a weekly award. In addition to the Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams players of the week, they'll need to have a "Felon of the week" award.

[BGSUfanatUT]

With the negatives that have been going on lately about MAC football players, the conference is going to have to add a weekly award. In addition to the Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams players of the week, they'll need to have a "Felon of the week" award.

or jsut all around moron of the week *cough* carson *cough*

[Warthog]

tj, I am sure you are a super Rocket fan. And probably not an unreasonable Rocket fan. You've got a fine team, a popular coach and a university trying to move up in every way.

Now let's say you are UT President Johnson who opens the morning paper to look at the picture of one of his students beat to a pulp with absolutely no one charged. No one. Apparently, the Toledo police working with the people at the incident and the UT football coach could not identify anyone who did anything to this student. If I'm President Johnson I say unbelieveable.

Now I read further and find the other severely injured student could very easily have died. If I'm President Johnson I begin to actually think incidents like this may affect the university's image, fund raising, admissions etc.

Then I read further and find my own VP of Student Affairs has never even received or reviewed a police report on this incident. But my football coach has. If I'm President Johnson I now go into personal high gear to figure out what the heck is going on before the incident spirals further out of control given mothers of victims, attorneys etc.

Now maybe only two UT football players took part in the incident. Just two and they have both been disciplined. Or maybe, if I'm President Johnson and I talk to my football coach, I find that several more were on hand and several more (just perhaps) may have been more than bystanders.

The reason this is a big deal is because students were very, very seriously hurt. I hope they all recover and I hope the UT football team's total involvement was Kay and Partee. They are kicked off and suspended. Now, it would be my opinion that Coach Amstutz knows exactly who else was there and to some degree who did what. If I'm President Johnson staring at the kid's face and with his Mom and her attorney on line two, I'd want to know the whole story.

These injuries were serious.

To even compare an incident like this to Leininger (suspended for a minimum of two games and practicing only with the scout team for underage drinking) and Carson (loud radio and louder apparently stupid at that moment mouth with almost certain suspension to come) is an amazing reach. I am not proud of Leininger or Carson. But in the older case, the punishment seems to fit the crime BG style. We shall see on Carson.

As posted elsewhere, there are no arrests or citations that are not printed in at least one paper (and usually two) in BG. There are no hidden incidents that I know of.

If I'm a UT Board of Trustee member, I would have to, at this point, have to be asking some hard questions. The UT team will be fine; they'll beat Kansas. But this incident creates a lot of questions- and problems- for the university as a whole. And on the same day the universirty reports a decrease of about 6% in undergraduate students- after estimating a flat number just a few months before. Probably totally unrelated, but all these news items are not good.

Good luck to the Rockets.

Go Falcons!

The situation being described sounds exactly what was going on in REVENGE OF THE NERDS!

[BGSUfanatUT]

What a quality film