PJ Pope for Heisman

[Flipper]

No...even these people rank him pretty far down the list. I suppose if there's a rash of injuries to 75 or 80 other guys he might have a shot, but otherwise, no.

So far as the NFL goes...let's look at the bracket provided by Champman and Chester Taylor. Chapman ran an ok 4.55 40, had good production and showed some very nice hands at Marshall. He was a3rd round pick.
(he also shared the backfield with a marquee QB, Jets 1st round choice Chad Pennington)

Chester Taylor had great production at UT, but ran a slow 4.65 40 and had injury concerns and there were questions about his ability to catch the ball out of the backfield. He went in the 6th round to the Ravens.

So...if PJ can run a 4.5 or so 40, he might be a late first day pick. If he's slower, he 's looking at going late on the second day. Playing with Omar will help him as the scouts will surely be in town more foten to scope out the Predator.

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the fact that Chapman has never seen substantial playing time while Taylor just inked a $3 million contract with the Browns. I guess that 40 time isn't always a great predictor at the next level, eh?

[Class of 61]

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the fact that Chapman has never seen substantial playing time while Taylor just inked a $3 million contract with the Browns. I guess that 40 time isn't always a great predictor at the next level, eh?

But of course, Flip.. you know that the Blackbirds matched the contract offer so Taylor is NOT a Brown, right?

[Flipper]

Nope...I don't pay that much attention to the Browns...

[hammb]

I guess that 40 time isn't always a great predictor at the next level, eh?

Personally to me its not either. But it is a good indicator of where he'll be drafted.

[UK Peregrine]

In all honesty can Pope really be a canidate for the Heisman?

Nope. Hence the category not-in-a-million-years-but-will-put-up-big-numbers right there on the link I supplied to CFN.

[Dayons_Den]

I always have to put a plug in for PJ.

From College Football News: CFN Heisman Watch - No. 81 to 100
96. RB P.J. Pope, Bowling Green
The Bowling Green offense will explode once again with Pope the main rushing threat coming off a 21 touchdown (15 rushing, six receiving) season. He’s a solid receiver for Omar Jacobs.

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005 ... 00_Fiu.htm

In all honesty can Pope really be a canidate for the Heisman?

Technically speaking, at this point in time all 15,000+ collegiate football players are 'candidates' to win the award given to "The Nations Top Football Player."

That said, in all honesty can Pope realisitcally win the award?

No.

[Redwingtom]

As far as pro potential...just look at one player...Brian Westbrook. If PJ gets with the right team he could be a productive pro. He has all the tools.

[golfertk14]

As far as pro potential...just look at one player...Brian Westbrook. If PJ gets with the right team he could be a productive pro. He has all the tools.

Westbrook, eh? Hmmm...that's not too bad a comparison.

[Dr. Bucko]

Oh here we go again with all these fictional 40 yd times. Unless these times are electroncially timed and under controlled conditions, they don't mean a thing. A 4.4 40 is on the brink of world-class speed (it translates to a 10.3 100) and there ain't nobody at BG or UT whose gonna run that fast. The web is full in info denoucing all these pie-in-the sky numbers. Check out the research.

[UK Peregrine]

Oh here we go again with all these fictional 40 yd times. Unless these times are electroncially timed and under controlled conditions, they don't mean a thing. A 4.4 40 is on the brink of world-class speed (it translates to a 10.3 100) and there ain't nobody at BG or UT whose gonna run that fast. The web is full in info denoucing all these pie-in-the sky numbers. Check out the research.

I don't think anyone is saying that we have world class sprinters. What we are saying is when the NFL times PJ during the souting combine, if he runs well according to the NFL's timing system, he will be drafted higher than if he was timed slower.

Plus, you know better than to make a simple mathematical translation from 4.4 40 to 10.3 100. Obviously, some runners run a faster first 40 meters and others run a faster last 60 meters. The 100 and 40 are not run at constant speeds, there are in deed fluctuations in speed from beginning to end. Some are better out of the block, which is great for the forty, some are better once the build up a head of steam.

[1987alum]

Oh here we go again with all these fictional 40 yd times. Unless these times are electroncially timed and under controlled conditions, they don't mean a thing. A 4.4 40 is on the brink of world-class speed (it translates to a 10.3 100) and there ain't nobody at BG or UT whose gonna run that fast. The web is full in info denoucing all these pie-in-the sky numbers. Check out the research.

Dr. Bucko - the accuracy of the 40 times is, for the sake of this discussion, irrelevant. The fact is that NFL teams consider them to be an important metric when evaluating college players.

[Dr. Bucko]

UK --- I've timed hundreds of athletes in the forty (both male and female), and I'm strongly aware of the time changes through a 100 meter sprint. The acceleration rarely continues beyond 55 meters, thereafter the athlete begins to decelerate. In a 100 meter race, with other things being equal, it is he who slows down the least that wins, and not the fastest through the last 40 meters. ----- Somebody close to the scene told me that Smith of Central Michigan (their new, emerging QB) ran a 4.4 forty. All I could do was laugh. I know the kid -- he's from Start HS in Toledo, and if he had been a 4.4 forty guy we'd have all heard about it. And by the way there is no formula that allows one to take a 40 yard time and extrapolate that through 100 yds, or 100 meters (at least my math skills won't permit me to do that). You have to actually time it on the track. That is, you time the first forty yards, then you have to get a time for the full race (100 meters) . And in an actual race, no one ever, ever accelerates much beyond 55 meters. It's slow down time after that. ----- I was at the University of Findlay's new indoor facility a few weeks ago, and they had the 40 yd time trials of their soccer team posted on a bulletin board. Of the 25 players listed, the fastest time was 5 seconds flat. And that's about right. And once again, their are several web sights full of info on the 40 yard times and the fiction that surrounds it. ---- I've probably burst a lot of bubbles, but I love to flatten myths.

[Falcon Commander]

are you really a Doctor, Bucko ?

[Flipper]

I think there's been a buttload of talk on this board about the degree of bogartacity if not outright mendacity of the average 40 yard dash time. Whether they're bogus or not isn't really important.

They're used as a means of comparing athletes. The same scouts are at each pro day and they're working with the same timing methods at each stop. At the scouting combine, they're all timed is as close to exact conditions as humanly possible.

Who cares if the 4.55 40 run by a player is legit. What matters to scouts is that his "4.55" is faster than some other kid's "4.65" What matters is that you have a means of saying player "A" is fater than player "B".

[Dr. Bucko]

Oh, Flipper, I knew you'd get into the act. I think sometimes that you just follow me around like a DNA repair enzyme. ---- A "buttload" of 40 yd time talk indeed; it's more like, however, a buttload of fictionalism. That Pope is an excellent running back (for BG anyway) is a foregone conclusion; his numbers add up and there is nothing subjective about that. Just don't extrapolate and add numbers to his resume that probably don't exist. The most important aspect of any good tailback is a combination of both speed and change-of-pace potential. Pope is blessed with both requirements. The pros will make the final judgment, however, if, indeed, he gets that far.