doug johnson signed by the browns

[kslates]

According to Rotoworld Doug Johnson has been promised the #2 job.

Doug Johnson says he's been promised the No. 2 quarterback role in Cleveland.
Bad news for Charlie Frye, but not a huge surprise. ''The bottom line is that they don't feel real comfortable having rookies as their backup,'' Johnson said. We're surprised Johnson went public with this, but it looks like he's guaranteed a roster spot. Jun. 21 - 11:08 am et

Here is a link to the Plain Dealer article.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plainde ... xml&coll=2

[hammb]

hammb...there have been times, when only the 6th round pick has been the only player to make the team.

It happens more often than you think.

When has this happened and what teams? Was it when they had no draft picks in the first three rounds. I cannot remember a 1st or 2nd round draft choice that has been cut before the 1st season unless there were legal issues. Even then, I think teams wait it out. Granted I follow the Lions more closely and it is rare that they ever cut a draft choice in the initial season and it is usually a late rounder that goes.

I cannot think of any time that a team had a full complement of draft picks and they cut all but the 6th rounder. If it has happened I'd have to see proof before I believe it.

As for top picks not making their rosters I can only think of a couple and even then I'm not positive.

MIN drafted Demetrius Underwood and he proved to be bipolar and attempted suicide or something. I'm not 100%, but they may have cut him before his rookie year. He resurfaced in Dallas at one time, but never played much.

PIT drafted Kris Farris from UCLA in the 3rd round. This is the only one that I can remember that was a true performance issue. He was so awful they cut him. However, I think that they cut him before his second year, not before his rookie year.

STL drafted Eric Crouch in the 3rd round. He retired because he didn't want to transition to WR. He's now playing in either Arena or NFLE (can't remember which) as a safety.

I cannot think of one instance that a top 3 round choice was cut before his rookie year based purely on performance. If Charlie gets caught tomorrow with a german hooker and 500 pounds of crack, sure he could get cut, but taking that possibility out, its pretty unlikely that he'd get cut. I think if you were to go to a Vegas Sportsbook and put money on Charlie not making the Browns active roster you'd prolly get some pretty sweet odds.

As for the practice squad, don't count on it. A player has to be cut and clear waivers for that. Charlie wouldn't clear waivers.

[BGSU-Ph.D.]

I thought that many teams usually carry three QBs, but at this point in the year I find many with four. Perhaps they carry four or perhaps they usually send the fourth to the practice squad. The Browns have an undrafted free agent QB from William and Mary, presumably behind Josh on the depth chart. Maybe they will keep Josh and get rid of that guy (his name is Lang Campbell or something like that).

[BGFalcons232]

I thought that many teams usually carry three QBs, but at this point in the year I find many with four. Perhaps they carry four or perhaps they usually send the fourth to the practice squad. The Browns have an undrafted free agent QB from William and Mary, presumably behind Josh on the depth chart. Maybe they will keep Josh and get rid of that guy (his name is Lang Campbell or something like that).

it's because it's preseason.

there are no roster restrictions right now, but the final roster has to be at 53 by the end of training camp. no teams carry four QBs on the regular season roster. usually there is a QB on the practice squad and the team will carry 3 QBs on the 53 man roster. however, there have been instances where teams have carried only 2 QBs on their roster. the ravens put josh on the practice squad his first year and only carried two active QBs (boller and wright i believe).

there's no way a team can afford to use up four roster spots on QBs. josh's chances of making the browns final roster are slim and none. frye's not going anywhere and i don't blame the browns for picking up a QB with experience as the backup. as much as i like harris, the browns fan in me was very afraid of going into the season having only one QB on the roster with ANY NFL experience.

[UK Peregrine]

the ravens put josh on the practice squad his first year and only carried two active QBs (boller and wright i believe).

I believe Kordell Stewart was also with the Ravens last year, not that a team couldn't conceivably carry just two QBs.

[BGALUMNI]

hammb...It was a while ago 1968 and the team was the Steelers. I am not sure how soon everyone else was cut, but Rocky Blier was the only guy to make a career of the NFL.

Point being, is that you just don't know what will happen. Everything is speculation.

[kslates]

hammb...It was a while ago 1968 and the team was the Steelers. I am not sure how soon everyone else was cut, but Rocky Blier was the only guy to make a career of the NFL.

Point being, is that you just don't know what will happen. Everything is speculation.

In 1968 teams didn't have even close to the amount of money that current teams have invested in their draft picks. No way does any team cut a first day pick before his rookie year unless it is legal or drug related.

[BGSU-Ph.D.]

I thought that many teams usually carry three QBs, but at this point in the year I find many with four. Perhaps they carry four or perhaps they usually send the fourth to the practice squad. The Browns have an undrafted free agent QB from William and Mary, presumably behind Josh on the depth chart. Maybe they will keep Josh and get rid of that guy (his name is Lang Campbell or something like that).

it's because it's preseason.

there are no roster restrictions right now, but the final roster has to be at 53 by the end of training camp. no teams carry four QBs on the regular season roster. usually there is a QB on the practice squad and the team will carry 3 QBs on the 53 man roster. however, there have been instances where teams have carried only 2 QBs on their roster. the ravens put josh on the practice squad his first year and only carried two active QBs (boller and wright i believe).

there's no way a team can afford to use up four roster spots on QBs. josh's chances of making the browns final roster are slim and none. frye's not going anywhere and i don't blame the browns for picking up a QB with experience as the backup. as much as i like harris, the browns fan in me was very afraid of going into the season having only one QB on the roster with ANY NFL experience.

Again, I don't stay abreast of how many QBs each NFL team keeps on its active roster during the regular season, but I could have sworn Martz has kept 4 in the past.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

yeah, it looks on the surface like Josh may be done in cleveland. I can't say I'm all that disappointed since I hate the browns and it didn't seem like a good situation football-wise for him anyway. Josh is not going to be the type of lights out QB that could carry a team all by himself as he would've had to do in cleveland. I'm hoping he can fall into a situation kind of like tom brady did; Replacing an injured starter on a good team and never letting go. They were both winning QBs in college drafted in the late rounds. They both obviously have "it". Josh just needs to find the right place to display those winning qualities that we all know he has.

[BGSU-Ph.D.]

I thought that many teams usually carry three QBs, but at this point in the year I find many with four. Perhaps they carry four or perhaps they usually send the fourth to the practice squad. The Browns have an undrafted free agent QB from William and Mary, presumably behind Josh on the depth chart. Maybe they will keep Josh and get rid of that guy (his name is Lang Campbell or something like that).

it's because it's preseason.

there are no roster restrictions right now, but the final roster has to be at 53 by the end of training camp. no teams carry four QBs on the regular season roster. usually there is a QB on the practice squad and the team will carry 3 QBs on the 53 man roster. however, there have been instances where teams have carried only 2 QBs on their roster. the ravens put josh on the practice squad his first year and only carried two active QBs (boller and wright i believe).

there's no way a team can afford to use up four roster spots on QBs. josh's chances of making the browns final roster are slim and none. frye's not going anywhere and i don't blame the browns for picking up a QB with experience as the backup. as much as i like harris, the browns fan in me was very afraid of going into the season having only one QB on the roster with ANY NFL experience.

Again, I don't stay abreast of how many QBs each NFL team keeps on its active roster during the regular season, but I could have sworn Martz has kept 4 in the past.

A quick search shows that Tampa Bay and San Diego have also carried four QBs on their active roster during the regular season at some point in recent years. Granted, it doesn't happen often, but its wrong to say that it never happens. So, who knows? I agree with others on this board that it is likely best for Josh that he goes to another team. There are some teams with very little QB depth.

[Bleeding Orange]

I thought that many teams usually carry three QBs, but at this point in the year I find many with four. Perhaps they carry four or perhaps they usually send the fourth to the practice squad. The Browns have an undrafted free agent QB from William and Mary, presumably behind Josh on the depth chart. Maybe they will keep Josh and get rid of that guy (his name is Lang Campbell or something like that).

it's because it's preseason.

there are no roster restrictions right now, but the final roster has to be at 53 by the end of training camp. no teams carry four QBs on the regular season roster. usually there is a QB on the practice squad and the team will carry 3 QBs on the 53 man roster. however, there have been instances where teams have carried only 2 QBs on their roster. the ravens put josh on the practice squad his first year and only carried two active QBs (boller and wright i believe).

there's no way a team can afford to use up four roster spots on QBs. josh's chances of making the browns final roster are slim and none. frye's not going anywhere and i don't blame the browns for picking up a QB with experience as the backup. as much as i like harris, the browns fan in me was very afraid of going into the season having only one QB on the roster with ANY NFL experience.

Again, I don't stay abreast of how many QBs each NFL team keeps on its active roster during the regular season, but I could have sworn Martz has kept 4 in the past.

A quick search shows that Tampa Bay and San Diego have also carried four QBs on their active roster during the regular season at some point in recent years. Granted, it doesn't happen often, but its wrong to say that it never happens. So, who knows? I agree with others on this board that it is likely best for Josh that he goes to another team. There are some teams with very little QB depth.

Yeah, there is a lot of "never" and "almost certain" going on around here that seems like a bunch of crap to me.

There is still a loooong way to go before the season starts, and a lot can happen (good or bad for Josh) between now and then. It is beyond wrong to completely give up on Josh because the Browns have two old, washed-up quarterbacks on the roster now.

And, even if they do put Dilfer and Johnson as 1 and 2 on the depth chart, there is no certainty whatsoever that Frye will not be sent to the practice squad. If it is the case (as someone else has mentioned) that Josh has been active long enough not to be able to be put back on the practice squad, you may very well see him in the #3 position and Frye on the practice squad. There isn't a thread in my body that makes me believe that the organization would let him go without ever seeing him with game experience. Frye can always be called back to the team three weeks into the season when Dilfer's arm falls off...

And don't anyone dare accuse me of wearing "brown and orange colored glasses" with regard to this issue. If you are a Browns fan and you REALLY believe that Dilfer/Johnson/Frye is the quarterback depth chart that you really want to see for the Browns, to be quite honest, you're as dumb as I believe most Browns fans are (and yes, I used to be a big Browns fan).

[hammb]

And, even if they do put Dilfer and Johnson as 1 and 2 on the depth chart, there is no certainty whatsoever that Frye will not be sent to the practice squad. If it is the case (as someone else has mentioned) that Josh has been active long enough not to be able to be put back on the practice squad, you may very well see him in the #3 position and Frye on the practice squad. .

Frye will not be on the practice squad. He will get a signing bonus that would result in a salary cap it when they cut him. On top of that you have to clear waivers to be put on the practice squad. It is highly doubtful that Frye would clear waivers, and it is even more doubtful that the Browns would want to take the cap hit by cutting him.

I would bet anything in the world that, barring legal/health issues, Frye is on the final roster. Josh could very well beat out Johnson for the roster spot, Johnson sucks, but there is almost no way that Frye is not on the final roster.

[BGFalcons232]

dilfer/johnson/frye isn't my ideal depth chart... bur dilfer/harris/frye looks even worse as a browns fan.

i don't want two QBs with ZERO game experience behind them backing up dilfer. at least johnson has game experience. and that is why i think harris will be cut barring any injury.

and the ravens only had two active QBs most of last season. it's VERY rare that a team keeps four on their roster. frye will not be cut and johnson is a better backup than harris. you all need to take off your BG glasses and realize it is in the browns' best interest to keep two vets ahead of frye, and simply harris doesnt' fit that mold.

[Bleeding Orange]

And, even if they do put Dilfer and Johnson as 1 and 2 on the depth chart, there is no certainty whatsoever that Frye will not be sent to the practice squad. If it is the case (as someone else has mentioned) that Josh has been active long enough not to be able to be put back on the practice squad, you may very well see him in the #3 position and Frye on the practice squad. .

Frye will not be on the practice squad. He will get a signing bonus that would result in a salary cap it when they cut him. On top of that you have to clear waivers to be put on the practice squad. It is highly doubtful that Frye would clear waivers, and it is even more doubtful that the Browns would want to take the cap hit by cutting him.

I would bet anything in the world that, barring legal/health issues, Frye is on the final roster. Josh could very well beat out Johnson for the roster spot, Johnson sucks, but there is almost no way that Frye is not on the final roster.

Never say never is all I'm saying. I love sports, but when general fans start acting like they're GM's or something, then it really starts to get on my nerves.

[BGALUMNI]

Some times too much is placed on experience. Especially if you are putting experience over ability.

The Browns are a team rebuilding and probably not going to challenge for the division or even make the playoffs. Why carrier too much experience? Why name Johnson the #2 already? I mean unless you are Mke Martz that is really a surprising move.