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Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:03 pm

The league guidelines are to put the "student sections" behind the home team's bench. Bowling Green complies with this request. You think Miami will continue to ignore this request. Why not do what the league asks?

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:03 pm

MiamiBando wrote:Which I don't understand... why do we NEED to have a Marshall-esque whipping post?

We don't NEED one, you've just chosen to make yourself one.

MiamiBando · Post by **MiamiBando** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:13 pm

Technically Miami HAS done what the league asks. They reversed the stadium. Moved the band to the top of the East Grandstand between the 40's. The students go on either side of the band and reserved seating is in front of the band in between the 30's. I think even BG would have a problem enforcing the rule, if some students decided to sit behind the opposing bench, and PAID for there tickets(Miami students don't have to pay. I assume BG is the same.) Sounds like BG has done this a few times, and had to Reverse their benches. Heck, OU has students that sit on the away side.(Regardless of what the seating chart says.) heard about them too.

I just don't see how they can FORCE students to not sit in the GA seating. They can't police that area, as there are no assigned seats. But since you seem to think it is Miami just blowing off the MAC, then we will ahve to see what actually transpires next year. For the record, I have NEVER seen anything thrown from the stands at ANYONE at a Miami game.(Seen some stuff thrown UP the stands by some fans from the opposing teams, at the students/band.) It's all good, and Miami and the MAC will work it out, as it looks Miami is trying to comply.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:37 pm

BG has, in my memory, changed the sidelines once. That was done, again IIRC, to comply with the MAC's request to put seating sections reserved for students behind the home team's bench. Sticking the band there and putting students on either side of the band doesn't really constitute compliance. It reeks of poor sportsmanship.

GA seating at Doyt Perry stadium USED to include the areas inside the 20's, but that was changed a year or two ago. The North grandstand was technically the only GA seating available last year. The area behind the vistor's bench is now reserved seating. If a person has purchased a ticket for one of those sseats, technically any student sitting there could be asked to move back over to the student section.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that putting students and band members in seats by the home team bench encourages positive beahvoir and good sportsmanship. They're supposed to be at the game to support the home team, not act as an irritant to the visitors. By putting the students and band by the visiting teams seats you encourage them to act like jackasses. You are creating negative karma...

MiamiBando · Post by **MiamiBando** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:47 pm

Here's Yagers seating arrangement last year....

Simply remove the corner bleachers(they aren't there anymore.)

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:16 pm

What was this thread about again

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:26 pm

Miami cheats

NickSkin · Post by **NickSkin** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:33 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:Miami is a member of the MAC. You guys can either accept the rules of the conference or you can get the hell out. Bottom line. Nothing makes you better than anyone in the conference. Nothing.

I don't mind Miami fans most of the time, but this kind of a statement is simply the product of pure arrogance. I can't stand that.

My message to Miami - go private, get out of the conference or simply just shut up and respect your position in the world. You are no "Oxford of the Americas" as you fancy yourselves. You need a substantial graduate college to even approach that.

Sorry, I'll go back to being congenial to my silver-beaked friends now.

This has nothing to do with Miami arrogance or the perception thereof. What this is about is the league making arbitrary rules and not focusing on the real issues.

One real issue in the league is butts in the seats. period. All MAC schools need to increase attendance; Miami included.

So what does the MAC do? It moves the Miami team bench to the other side of the field. What does this do? It potentially detracts from the stadium atmosphere for both the students and the season ticket holders. This rule change has the potential to hinder that growth.

Now if any BG fans were in Oxford of the last match-up, you'd see the East stands filled with band and students. Granted the old East stands at Yager were not huge but they were filled nonetheless. Miami's done a terrific job the past few years in increasing student and overall attendance.

At Miami's first home game the first thing the students will realize is that instead of having the opponents bench on their side, they'll have the home team. Not that big of a deal really. MAC officials have been monitoring the Miami situation for years and have been threatening this move. One bad situation over the past 2 years would have immediatly caused the benches to move midseason. However, none occured. Visiting coaches hated the idea of having the bench behind a raucous group of band and students.

Guess what? That's home field advantage. Every stadium has it (or should have some variety of the same). Colorado and Colorado State play their games high above sea level causing physical effects on visiting teams. Ohio State plays its games in front of 100K screaming, yelling people.

Can you imagine if the ACC told told Duke to remove the students from the floor because it created an unfair advantage to the Blue Devils? How about the same thing (students nearly on the floor) at Bowling Green basketball games?

This isn't an issue about following the rules. Miami does that. and will do that. This is about the Conference decisions that are without much sense and without much forethought.

...the same could be said about the inclusion of Temple...but that is for a different thread.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:39 pm

as for the AA analogy. BG's students ARE on the floor... ACROSS from the opponents bench. if they sat them in the seats directly behind the opponents bench, your point would be valid. Instead, its... its... well, its just not.

Home field advantage is great, but its also having 30,000 (or whatever) fans screaming and yelling, making that 4th and goal audible impossible, not piling students and bands in behind the visitors when it can be, for the most part, avoided.

MiamiBando · Post by **MiamiBando** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:45 pm

Instead, its... its... well, its just not.

Yup.....

Doesn't the conference have a rule against rushing the floor after a game?

NickSkin · Post by **NickSkin** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:49 pm

The point re: Anderson Arena is that the fans are ON the court. Right on the sideline; In earshot and usually inches away from players as they inbound the ball. IMO, no difference than placing students/fans (which means in Oxford, behind an 8 foot wall of concrete and a good 15 - 20 yards away from the bench) behing the visiting bench.

If the issue is safety then put more security in the stadium. That isn't a problem at Miami.

The bottom line is that it is a stupid rule and the MAC should concentrate on other issues of more importance than where students can or cannot sit.

At many MAC stadiums, student seating is not an issue as none of the students go to games. Try going to a Buffalo or EMU football game.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:10 pm

There are some really weird points being made on this thread.

Every school in the MAC admits students for "free" and I would assume that virtually every school in the MAC has a designated seating area for these admissions.

That leads me to assume that the MAC rule only applies to these admissions -- and not the absurdly hypothetical case of a student buying a ticket he could have had for free.

In other words, I'm certain students who buy tickets can sit wherever they want and the MAC isn't going to move them.

For one thing, a student sitting alone in a section of more grizzled fans -- or his or her parents -- isn't going to pose a problem.

The other thing is, it's darned rare, anyway. Aside from the parents day scenario -- and how is *that* going to pose a problem -- I can't think of a single reason any student would bother to buy a ticket.

Frankly, I don't care whether or not the MAC has the rule. I just think Miami fans should stop whining about it.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:19 pm

Wow, this thread is probably the longest ongoing one I've ever started! Not exactly the topic I had in mind, but there's certainly lots of talk here.

I just want to add, there's no doubt from reading some of these posts that Bowling Green and Miami have some very loft expectations and some very loyal fans as evident from these posts. And I think it's great!!! The one things that impresses me most is, though some of these points are a little heated, there's seems to be respect from both sides and I think that's a true reflection about the classiness of both schools. I've seen some ugly stuff get started on this board from fans from Ohio and Toledo (for example) and I'll speak for myself and say the Miami fans are respectful. That is why Miami is my second favorite school in the MAC to BG.

But now to the topic at hand. As I said in the start of this post, in my eyes, Miami is the team to beat in the East. However, I believe 100 percent that BG is the best team and can win the MAC this year.....but I've been believing that for the last three years and it hasn't happened. I'll keep believing, but until BG actually "does it," .....win the MAC.....I'll continue to wishful think while someone else gets the MAC title hardware. I hope that changes this season. But with the BG/Miami game in Oxford and Miami having won the last six meetings – I say the RedHawks hold the "superficial advantage" for the time being. But on November 15th, this will all be decided by the powers that be, and not us chatting on a website about it for another four months. I do however, hope like mad, that the Falcons come out on top!

MiamiBando · Post by **MiamiBando** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:38 pm

No matter what the records are, I think that BG has the better QB. No offense to Josh, but Omar is a Sophomore and is playing VERY well. To be a Heisman and a Maxwell candidate as a sophomore is very rare.

I also think that Miami has the better overall team. But we have a first year coach, though I'm not worried about him, our team has shown it can be a little finnicky at times. I think that in the East BG and Miami are tied as the teams to beat. Miami holds the past two East Champs and BG has the West Champ from two years ago. BG has a tried coaching staff that has shown that they know how to win.

The MAC East title will be decided at the Miami-BG game, and it will be decided that day for many years to come as well.

redskins4ever · Post by **redskins4ever** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:46 pm

Miami students pay a student fee for a yearly pass to athletic events...

BG students pay a student fee for a yearly pass to athletic events...

How are students not season ticket holders?